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Old 09-23-2012, 07:32 PM   #21
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I'd like to see that, I bet $100 dick lebeau can't kick anyone's ass lol
maybe that's my plan - he goes over to kick his ass and gets a hernia and slipped disc and that allows us to usher in a new coordinator
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:33 PM   #22
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This is on the whole F.O. from Rooney's on down. First off, to hire Tomlin who is just a figurehead let's be honest. He inherited a HOF D coordinator, franchise QB, and lucked out playing one of the weaker teams in the SB (ARI) and he wins so he is applauded as if he had anything to do with it. His game management, player development, and x and o's are just bad. The fact that this guy is supposed to know DBs and secondary players yet has failed to draft or develop a single good DB is proof enough.

Then there is Colbert who I think is great and has had some bad luck. I am assuming he has a lot of input on the players chosen from Lebeau and Tomlin which is why imho some of those picks haven't been so good especially LB and secondary, but he got very unlucky this year with injuries. He is the least at fault. Lebeau gets as much blame as Tomlin as he plain and simple...fails to change his approach in today's passing game. Yeah I get that he doesn't put the players out there, he just coaches, but he is doing a really awful job of it. I bet anything he is done after this year.

Ben gets some blame (see my other posts that you all seem to hate so much) as he is overrated as they come. Point being, look at today's fourth quarter. He got outplayed by Palmer of all people. Sure he got a lot of yards and TDs and that's great and all but it was against an even worse D than ours. But...when he really needed to step up he failed again. He has made a habit of failing to be effective in 4th quarters ever since SB loss vs. GB. That's why I reiterate, while he has name recognition and value still, you need to trade him and we need to do a system reboot. This team is bad. We won't make the playoffs and that won't change any time soon. I would rather suck for a year or two and make another decade long run than be mediocre for the next 5 years, and THEN be forced to do a reboot. Flame away boys!!
Changes really need to be made, for sure, but this might have been one of the stupidest things I've ever read here.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:35 PM   #23
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I can't blame Lebeau. The secondary is so horrible, when the Steelers CHOSE to ignore the DB issues and go "in house" to fill the Gay spot they messed up bad and it's apparent. Not even Taylor played decent today. If the Steelers want to compete with anyone in the AFC north they are going to have to find a way to acquire a couple of competent CBs and keep Troy healthy. After this game how can anyone argue in favor of this pass defense?
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:35 PM   #24
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Really, I think people need to get used to the D not being beastly for awhile. We simply don't have the money to fill up the defense with pro bowlers right now. The offense is stacked, and we have our top 10 contracts literally accounting for half the cap. A handful of guys making 10 mil a year, and that's not even counting Wallace wanting a hundred billion dollars next year.

Look at the cap numbers. What would you propose we do to fix our team issues based on those numbers? Also keep in mind we keep restructuring, and that could lead to guys we CAN'T cut next year.

But seriously, turnovers killed us. Mundy was their accomplice. Take those two factors out, and we win.
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I love how all of the sudden LeBeau has forgotten how to coach. This is about personnel people. Eventually, you knew the guys who made the defense what it was for a decade were going to leave. Well, we have not replaced them with people as good. Maybe that's impossible. It sure is hard. But don't discount how good Farrior, A.Smith and even the guys who are still there that are a shell of their former selves. Face it. We were spoiled. It's a new era of Steelers football defensively and it doesn't look good.
This is on the whole F.O. from Rooney's on down. First off, to hire Tomlin who is just a figurehead let's be honest. He inherited a HOF D coordinator, franchise QB, and lucked out playing one of the weaker teams in the SB (ARI) and he wins so he is applauded as if he had anything to do with it. His game management, player development, and x and o's are just bad. The fact that this guy is supposed to know DBs and secondary players yet has failed to draft or develop a single good DB is proof enough.

Then there is Colbert who I think is great and has had some bad luck. I am assuming he has a lot of input on the players chosen from Lebeau and Tomlin which is why imho some of those picks haven't been so good especially LB and secondary, but he got very unlucky this year with injuries. He is the least at fault. Lebeau gets as much blame as Tomlin as he plain and simple...fails to change his approach in today's passing game. Yeah I get that he doesn't put the players out there, he just coaches, but he is doing a really awful job of it. I bet anything he is done after this year.

Ben gets some blame (see my other posts that you all seem to hate so much) as he is overrated as they come. Point being, look at today's fourth quarter. He got outplayed by Palmer of all people. Sure he got a lot of yards and TDs and that's great and all but it was against an even worse D than ours. But...when he really needed to step up he failed again. He has made a habit of failing to be effective in 4th quarters ever since SB loss vs. GB. That's why I reiterate, while he has name recognition and value still, you need to trade him and we need to do a system reboot. This team is bad. We won't make the playoffs and that won't change any time soon. I would rather suck for a year or two and make another decade long run than be mediocre for the next 5 years, and THEN be forced to do a reboot. Flame away boys!!
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in defense of our pass defense, Palmer had too long to throw, and he made some really good throws, and the Raiders recievers were making some good catches. just sayin'.

the defense was still pretty lousy today.
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in defense of our pass defense, Palmer had too long to throw, and he made some really good throws, and the Raiders recievers were making some good catches. just sayin'.

the defense was still pretty lousy today.
pass rush is a huge part of defending against the pass, the few times I saw any sort of pressure, Palmer was able to release quick enough which falls back on the secondary needing to cover long enough for the pass rush to get to the QB

no matter how we spin it, our defense was terrible

the only thing going in support of our D was how they were asked to bail out our offense from turning the ball over twice and our special teams from giving up a huge kick return.

A game that might have been a ~14-21 point victory can quickly turn into a 3 point loss that way, especially on the road.

That being said, we can't expect the offense to play absolutely perfect every game either, something that needed to happen today but didn't. Of which other than Ben and our OL doing better than average in pass protection, our O didn't do all that well either. The ball hit the ground 4 times, and was lost twice. And for the 3rd straight game we had a pretty dismal running attack.

The other huge x-factor was penalties, penalties and/or turnovers: eliminate one of those areas we lost big in and we win, eliminate both and we would have dominated, even with our terrible defensive performance.
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This is on the whole F.O. from Rooney's on down. First off, to hire Tomlin who is just a figurehead let's be honest. He inherited a HOF D coordinator, franchise QB, and lucked out playing one of the weaker teams in the SB (ARI) and he wins so he is applauded as if he had anything to do with it. His game management, player development, and x and o's are just bad. The fact that this guy is supposed to know DBs and secondary players yet has failed to draft or develop a single good DB is proof enough.

Then there is Colbert who I think is great and has had some bad luck. I am assuming he has a lot of input on the players chosen from Lebeau and Tomlin which is why imho some of those picks haven't been so good especially LB and secondary, but he got very unlucky this year with injuries. He is the least at fault. Lebeau gets as much blame as Tomlin as he plain and simple...fails to change his approach in today's passing game. Yeah I get that he doesn't put the players out there, he just coaches, but he is doing a really awful job of it. I bet anything he is done after this year.

Ben gets some blame (see my other posts that you all seem to hate so much) as he is overrated as they come. Point being, look at today's fourth quarter. He got outplayed by Palmer of all people. Sure he got a lot of yards and TDs and that's great and all but it was against an even worse D than ours. But...when he really needed to step up he failed again. He has made a habit of failing to be effective in 4th quarters ever since SB loss vs. GB. That's why I reiterate, while he has name recognition and value still, you need to trade him and we need to do a system reboot. This team is bad. We won't make the playoffs and that won't change any time soon. I would rather suck for a year or two and make another decade long run than be mediocre for the next 5 years, and THEN be forced to do a reboot. Flame away boys!!
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:15 PM   #29
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the defense certainly shit the bed andy. this is the first time in a long while that i can say that wholeheartedly.

completely awful. i dont know if i can defend ryan mundy even being on the filed any longer (let alone team).
I wouldn't argue with that assessment - but I do think it's a little early to be calling for LaBeau's head. I'd like to see where we are in a few weeks - if the D continues to shit the bed, then we're definitely going to have larger problems on this team than I assumed. And it may come down to the coaching. We'll have to see.

It was an ugly loss, but I'm not throwing in the towel yet - a lot of supposedly elite teams are sucking pretty badly this year.
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Great. Another thread.
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