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Old 09-20-2012, 07:21 PM   #91
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Replacement refs affect Vegas betting

UPDATED SEP 20, 2012
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Las Vegas casinos think this weekend's NFL games will be the highest-scoring ever thanks to the league's replacement officials.

Oddsmakers say casinos are changing their expectations as interim referees add new variables to the game, changing its pace and the approaches taken by players and coaches.

Casinos haven't fully changed lines yet because there have been only two weeks of games and referees might adjust how they call games based on weekly feedback from the league. But oddsmaker Mike Colbert of Cantor Gaming says home teams will deserve an extra half-point in their favor if games are called all year the way they were officiated in Week 2.

''It's starting to concern us a bit,'' Colbert said. ''(Officials) should have no influence on the total or the side.''

Penalties were skewed in favor of home teams during the first two weeks this year, with visitors getting 55.1 percent of 419 penalties. Last year began in a similar fashion -- visitors took 54.8 percent of 407 total penalties through the first two games -- before evening out over the rest of the season. Penalties were relatively even between home and road teams for all of 2010 and 2011, and it's anybody's guess how this year's penalties will split.

Sports books make money by encouraging balanced betting action; they get it by using point spreads to account for the advantage one team has over another. In Week 2, home teams went 11-4-1 after going 8-8 in Week 1.

Future lines with interim officials will take a lot of guesswork, said Colbert, whose company runs sports books in six Las Vegas casinos and provides betting lines for the vast majority of Nevada sports books.

''You've got to use prior experience -- I don't know if anyone has prior experience with something like this,'' he said.

NFL teams generally get a 3-point edge in sports books just for playing at home. An extra half-point added to that would be the equivalent of a team having a superstar receiver or running back on the field or an opponent missing its star because of injury, gambling expert RJ Bell of Pregame.com said.

''That's a strong statement that the people are really considering this to be a legitimate phenomenon,'' Bell said. ''When you're taking hundreds of thousands of dollars per game, those half-points are really meaningful.''

In the two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl earlier this year, oddsmakers said Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski would shift the line a half-point depending on whether he appeared in the game. He played but caught only two passes in the loss to the Giants.

Public perception makes a big difference in a sports betting world built on complex math and opinion markets -- even if popular opinions don't entirely match what's happening on the field.

Statistically, there were few differences from last year in the way the first two weeks of this season were called. The average number of penalties is down and player safety calls like roughing the passer have been about the same. But defensive pass interference calls are up; there were 44 defensive pass interference calls in the first two weeks this year compared with 30 in the first two weeks last year. And games are taking about six minutes longer on average.

Casinos expect an average of 46.1 points scored per game for Week 3 -- the highest projected total ever for Vegas casinos, Bell said.

Bell said the jump can't just be another sign of a pass-happy league with rules designed to foster offense.

''What else has changed other than the referees?'' he asked.

SportsBettingOnline.ag, a Costa Rica company that takes bets online, is taking referee bets directly to fans, allowing them to wager on different kinds of penalties league-wide, including the number of pass interference calls, how long games will last and whether home teams will take fewer penalties than visitors. Online sports gambling is illegal in the United States, and such bets wouldn't likely fly in Las Vegas.

Colbert said Cantor plans to allow bettors to wager for the first time ever on total points for the entire league. The over/under line was set to open Thursday morning at 732.5 points, an average of 45.8 points per game.

Colbert said that while it's high, it's lower than the totals of each of 16 games added up, in part because he thinks some casinos are overreacting to the referees and inflated their numbers.

But he said that might not matter to bettors, who notoriously love high scores.

''My gut instinct is they'll bet over,'' he said.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...ing-vegas-bets
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:43 AM   #92
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Ric, the most expensive thing in a GM car 5 years ago was not the motor, it was the labour cost and pension benefits of the autoworker. Unions kept going on strike and demanding more until a guy putting in a windshield in Detroit made a lot more than he should have and the company could not be competitive.

I'm tired of hearing unions making demands that they want more, when they are already getting compensated well. Everybody thinks they are entitled to something, rather than wanting to work for it. The entitlement of the culture is sickening and that is all these refs think...................they are entitled to more.
No, the most expensive thing in almost every product on the planet then and now is executive compensation. You've been fed a load of BS and you know it, Gonzo. These people are bloodsuckers, and our workers' blood has long since been drained.

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This will fix everything - tell everyone to just shut up and quit griping about the lousy refs

NFL issues warning on conduct

The NFL reached out to the owners, general managers and coaches of all 32 teams this week to advise them that the type of on-field behavior they witnessed last weekend will not be acceptable this weekend.

Coaches including coach John Fox and defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio of the Denver Broncos, along with San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh, were spotted berating officials in a way unacceptable to the league office.

"We contacted them to remind them that everyone has a responsibility to respect the game," NFL executive vice president Ray Anderson said Thursday night. "We expect it to be adhered to this weekend and forevermore."


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...s-all-32-teams

Everyone has an obligation to respect the game except Goodell and his yes man Ray Anderson, who blame the coaches and players for complaining about the scab refs that the league has brought in after locking out the real refs
Exactly. Respect the ****ing game, Goodell.

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But today, the corporations pay less in taxes than the average wage-earner and CEO's make 460 times more than their lowest paid workers yet they need the taxpayers to fork over billions of dollars to help keep them in business.

What's wrong with that picture?
That was back when the country was run by commies like President Eisenhower.

And by the way, Gonz, back when the Japanese were driving us out of business with better, cheaper cars, they were far more unionized than us and going on strike two or three times as often. Those greedy Japanese workers, driving their company profits up. Shame on them. Of course, now we are their cheap non-union labor force and their cars are starting to suck almost as badly as our own.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:55 PM   #93
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Interesting to note that the line on this game has dropped to 4 points after the Steelers opened as 6-point favorites.

But there is some basis. The replacement officials have called home teams for 44.9 percent of the penalties. Compare that to a 51-49 split for the regular officials.

Possibly because of that, home teams are 23-9 straight up and 19-12-1 ATS through two weeks this season.

On average over the previous three seasons, the home teams were 19-13 straight up and 16-15-1 ATS.

Coincidence? Maybe. It's something we'll keep an eye on this week.

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Refs turned the Bengals game into a train wreck. Also based on the games I've watched so far today, it seems like someone told the refs they don't want to see another PI flag fly, even if it's actually legit. We'll see if the trend continues for us.
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The biggest no call was when the kick the onside kick out of bounds and no one touched it. That is suppose to be a 15 yard penalty and they didn't call it. These refs are rediculous. They don't even know the rules.
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The biggest no call was when the kick the onside kick out of bounds and no one touched it. That is suppose to be a 15 yard penalty and they didn't call it. These refs are rediculous. They don't even know the rules.
Oh, they "Called it". Ref clearly stated it was a "Foul". But then he did nothing to follow up on that. The Bengals refs gave more free time outs. Also refused to run down the clock a couple times. Total nonsense.
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lol you guys couldnt even win with the refs on your side
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lol you guys couldnt even win with the refs on your side
Yea, you clearly have the better team. I mean, you haven't seen a playoff victory in a decade, but at least you have 8 conference titles, and 6 super bowl championships to comfort you and...oh...wait, right. That's us!
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