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Old 09-23-2012, 08:35 PM   #31
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:12 PM   #32
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Lebeau defence is built from the ground up to stop the run, problem is teams aren't really running that much anymore. It was ok to have mediocrity CB's in the pass, but the games change. We need a CB on this team that'll give offensive coordinators fits. That can not only lock down a receiver, but get some ints. Tired of the secondary making bad qb's look great and ok Qb's look like HOF'ers. We keep this up and we won't have a chance against elite teams in the AFC.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:17 PM   #33
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Throw in the fact that Ziggy Hood is not a very good player.
He creates no push and gets moved laterally way too easy
I thought I read he was one of the strongest players on the team?
He may be. There's more football than muscle.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:23 PM   #34
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pass rush is a huge part of defending against the pass, the few times I saw any sort of pressure, Palmer was able to release quick enough which falls back on the secondary needing to cover long enough for the pass rush to get to the QB

no matter how we spin it, our defense was terrible

the only thing going in support of our D was how they were asked to bail out our offense from turning the ball over twice and our special teams from giving up a huge kick return.

A game that might have been a ~14-21 point victory can quickly turn into a 3 point loss that way, especially on the road.

That being said, we can't expect the offense to play absolutely perfect every game either, something that needed to happen today but didn't. Of which other than Ben and our OL doing better than average in pass protection, our O didn't do all that well either. The ball hit the ground 4 times, and was lost twice. And for the 3rd straight game we had a pretty dismal running attack.

The other huge x-factor was penalties, penalties and/or turnovers: eliminate one of those areas we lost big in and we win, eliminate both and we would have dominated, even with our terrible defensive performance.
We expected the defense to bail out the offense for five straight years, and now that we have bet the cap farm on the offense, it's time for them to pay up.

The penalties wouldn't have been nearly so one-sided had the game been called straight.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:30 PM   #35
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LeBeau is suffering from a number of issues right now that lead to "fail".

1. the personnel on the field remain un-motivated and are playing with zero passion (maybe less)
2. a terrible defensive backfield
3. the injuries to Harrison and Polamalu in which we have no one to replace their once greatness
4. a terrible defensive line. Hood's starting to seem like a waste of a pick. At one point i thought he would live up to the potential. Not now.
5. his schemes work better against the run...and there's more passing than ever before and it will continue to increase
6. He only makes small adjustments...never big ones
7. We don't throw confusing looks anymore
8. and the personnel that IS on the field clearly not executing (and look like the could care less if they do...)

These are a few of LeBeau's issues right now and i'm sure there's more. My main issue with all of this is that the players, aside from Clark, Woodley, and on occasion Timmons, look like they don't even want to be on the field. It wouldn't surprise me to see them "yawning" out there in between plays. THAT needs fixed and fixed now.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:32 PM   #36
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something's up when you make tim tebow look like joe montana, then make the worst offense in the NFL look like the 1980's 49er squad

our defense just isn't very good without polamalu and harrison. still, they should have prevented 34 points by a bottom tier offense.

this is becoming a trend. you can say the playoff loss in denver was a 'bad' game from our defense. what happens when these 'bad' performances become more frequent?
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something's up when you make tim tebow look like joe montana, then make the worst offense in the NFL look like the 1980's 49er squad

our defense just isn't very good without polamalu and harrison. still, they should have prevented 34 points by a bottom tier offense.

this is becoming a trend. you can say the playoff loss in denver was a 'bad' game from our defense. what happens when these 'bad' performances become more frequent?

i hear ya. Its already become frequent.
Look no further than the last half of last year. I was (and never backed down) one of the ones who called it a "phantom defense". I thought, despite their "ranking", that they were clearly playing at an awful level.
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We expected the defense to bail out the offense for five straight years, and now that we have bet the cap farm on the offense, it's time for them to pay up.

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how do you figure we bet the cap farm on offense?

the only players making more than 7 mil/year is ben, heath, and brown (pretty sure colon isnt).

have you seen the contracts of harrison, polamalu, woodley, timmons, and taylor lately?
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This is on the whole F.O. from Rooney's on down. First off, to hire Tomlin who is just a figurehead let's be honest. He inherited a HOF D coordinator, franchise QB, and lucked out playing one of the weaker teams in the SB (ARI) and he wins so he is applauded as if he had anything to do with it. His game management, player development, and x and o's are just bad. The fact that this guy is supposed to know DBs and secondary players yet has failed to draft or develop a single good DB is proof enough.

Then there is Colbert who I think is great and has had some bad luck. I am assuming he has a lot of input on the players chosen from Lebeau and Tomlin which is why imho some of those picks haven't been so good especially LB and secondary, but he got very unlucky this year with injuries. He is the least at fault. Lebeau gets as much blame as Tomlin as he plain and simple...fails to change his approach in today's passing game. Yeah I get that he doesn't put the players out there, he just coaches, but he is doing a really awful job of it. I bet anything he is done after this year.

Ben gets some blame (see my other posts that you all seem to hate so much) as he is overrated as they come. Point being, look at today's fourth quarter. He got outplayed by Palmer of all people. Sure he got a lot of yards and TDs and that's great and all but it was against an even worse D than ours. But...when he really needed to step up he failed again. He has made a habit of failing to be effective in 4th quarters ever since SB loss vs. GB. That's why I reiterate, while he has name recognition and value still, you need to trade him and we need to do a system reboot. This team is bad. We won't make the playoffs and that won't change any time soon. I would rather suck for a year or two and make another decade long run than be mediocre for the next 5 years, and THEN be forced to do a reboot. Flame away boys!!
This has to rank up there as one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on this site. Hell, while you are at it, maybe we should have the Rooney's retire from football and sell the team.

I am not going to site here and point fingers at players or coaches because most of us watched the game in utter disbelief. Something has to change with this defense. Right now, these guys can't even fight themselves out of wet paper bag. The common theme going back to last season is a lack of pressure on the opposing QB. I remember a time when he had the nick name "Blitzburgh" but that is long gone now. I am tired of watching 2nd rate QB's look like HOF candidates.

I feel like we should be 3-0 going into the bye week but here we are in reality and we are limping in at 1-2. I hope the coaching staff utilizes this off week to "fix" this team because right now it's broken. The offense is averaging 26pts/game which in my book is more than enough to be a 3-0 team. 75pts given up by our defense in 3 games is horrendous.
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how do you figure we bet the cap farm on offense?

the only players making more than 7 mil/year is ben, heath, and brown (pretty sure colon isnt).

have you seen the contracts of harrison, polamalu, woodley, timmons, and taylor lately?
Okay, so maybe I'm wrong, but it is the direction we're heading.
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