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Old 09-28-2012, 02:43 PM   #81
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:14 PM   #82
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And when we're yet again 12-4 and ranked top-5 in D at the end of the year, what are all of you going to say?
I'll say "Where are the sacks and turnovers?" like last year.

Don't let a paper defense fool you on the eye test.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:57 PM   #83
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ive seen plenty of remarks here that suggest people arent seeing the forest through the trees.

there is history at work that isnt being acknowleged. dick lebeau formulated the zone blitz scheme to combat the west coast offense invented by bill walsh. if you look back is is the bungles defense (with lebeau on the staff) that gave the 49ers the only competition they ever faced in thier 5 superbowls. how ironic is that (walsh came to the 49ers from the bungles staff). were it not for tim krumrie breaking his leg in the 88 sb the bungs would have a ring and the 49ers only have 4 (or less).

so teams have figured this defense out? thats what they said in 2002 when the patriots and raiders opened the season spreading us out and torching us for 90 points in the 1st 2 games. eventually our slapdick DC who didnt know how to run the scheme was fired and the master was brought back. 8 years, 4 AFC champ games, and 2 SB victories later, half the league is running some version of OUR 3-4 defense, and about just as many teams are still trying to duplicate what the raiders and patriots were able to do back in 2002 with their vesrion of the spread offense.

lebeaus defense has virtually eliminated the fullback from nfl rosters, and turned bell cow backs into a rarity.

lebeaus defense has prompted the LEAGUE to institute rules to eliminate hitting and to open up the passing game almost to areana league proportions.

any of yall who think the raiders scrub OC has suddenly figured out and mastered lebeau is a joke (not that knapp hasnt been around the block and isnt familiar with his concepts).

again, if you step back and look at things objectively, it is the SCHEME that is growing and forcing the league and its offenses to adapt and change.

the steelers defense has been the driving force. for almost 20 years about 28+ teams have known that if you want a realistic shot of winning a superbowl, you better be prepared to beat the steelers who stand in the way.

no other team can say that.
This, well spoken Sir!!!! Now to adress the other, you know LeBeau has had a history of adjusting when other teams adjust to the Defensive scheme, with the Bye Week I truly believe there will be adjustments. If you look at the 1st game of the season (without Clark) with Troy on the field Peyton Manning was completely razzled, Troy has the ability to get inside a QB's head. Yes I am as sore as anyone with the loss to the Raiders, I am chomping at the bit to see what happens after the bye. Also, the schedule hasn't been remarkably favorable, 1st game of the season having to fly to Denver (without Clark), then fly home to play the 2nd game against the Jets, hmmmmm hasn't Rex Ryan schemed against the Steelers enough? 3rd game of the season, get back on a plane and fly to the West Coast to play the Raiders, anyone on here ever had "Jet Lag"? Not to mention all of the games have been the 4:30 p.m. or later games. The cards have been stacked against the Steelers to include the early bye week, truth is, I am waiting to see how the team reacts with a healthy Polamalu and hopefully a healthy Mendenhall, maybe establishing a run game will help the Defense out and keep them off the field (also having AB hold onto the ball at mid-fieldwhen the Steelers have the lead may also help BIG TIME). Oh, and lets not forget Polamalu and Clark have not been on the field at the same time this year! I truly believe LeBeau will adjust, question is, will the rest of the Steelers opponents be ready for the adjustments?
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And when we're yet again 12-4 and ranked top-5 in D at the end of the year, what are all of you going to say?
I'm going to look at the play on the field and not at the stats. Last year, would you honestly say the Steelers had the best Defense in the league? The Texans, 49ers, and Ravens were far superior defenses. All of them advanced in the postseason why we got owned by a current backup to Mark Sanchez.
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I'm going to look at the play on the field and not at the stats. Last year, would you honestly say the Steelers had the best Defense in the league? The Texans, 49ers, and Ravens were far superior defenses. All of them advanced in the postseason why we got owned by a current backup to Mark Sanchez.
Pretty much this. The Steelers defense was good as far as yards and points, but they didn't pass the eye test. Too few splash plays. Too few turnovers. Too few sacks. They really weren't an intimidating defense, they were just a paper defense.
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yes, the scheme is predictable at times and Dick LeBeau can be stubborn but that doesn't mean the players aren't partially responsible also.

a good example of that occurred on the Raiders' last drive where they ended up kicking the game-winning FG. it's 3rd and 10 and we have a chance to get off the field and Lawrence Timmons our $50 million LB can't cover Oakland's no-name 3rd string TE.

can't blame the scheme or Dick LeBeau on that play, that particular play is all on Timmons.
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This, well spoken Sir!!!! Now to adress the other, you know LeBeau has had a history of adjusting when other teams adjust to the Defensive scheme, with the Bye Week I truly believe there will be adjustments.
There will be no adjustments anytime soon. Lebeau does adjust, but he does it years later. Look no further than the Patriots. How many times did Brady tear up the Steelers' defense?
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