Tackling the catch

[Dodens Grav]

Originally Posted by maddog78

Or ignore the fact that opposing QBs have a 100.9 rating against this defense (25th in the league), 62.4% completion rate (18th in the league), thrown only 1 INT (28th in the league), been sacked 8 times (24th in the league), thrown 8 TD passes (19th in the league).

The defense is allowing 22.2 points a game (16th) while the offense is #2 in TOP.

If the offense goes into a slump and has a series of 3 and outs, do you trust this defense?

Originally Posted by Darkstorm05

Also ignore the fact that most of the teams that had an early bye are filling in the top slots, because they have an entire game missing in these totals. Look at something meaningful, like points scored against us per game, where we rank 16th in the league. We're averaging 23 points against us per game.

I don't care if we've only given up 9 passing yards the entire season, the points we've given up is what matters most. Our W-L record reflects this.

I was not ignoring anything. I was pointing out positive statistics so that they don't get swept under the rug during the "Dick LeBeau sucks and every defensive back on the roster needs to be cut" parade that occurs every time the other team scores a touchdown. The topic of the thread is that the tackle the catch philosophy, which LeBeau has always used, including last year when they led the league in yards and points, is all of a sudden terrible because of two bad games in the first quarter of the season. Not only is the idea shortsighted, but it's a knee-jerk reaction after only 4 games. Should they be playing better? Yes, and they probably will. But does that mean that all of a sudden the scheme that has worked since LeBeau has been here no longer works just because one offense scores 34 points and another scored 25? I'm inclined to let the remainder of the season dictate that, especially when they have yet to play a game with their two starting safeties and James Harrison just got back.

[maddog78]

Originally Posted by Dodens Grav

I was not ignoring anything. I was pointing out positive statistics so that they don't get swept under the rug during the "Dick LeBeau sucks and every defensive back on the roster needs to be cut" parade that occurs every time the other team scores a touchdown. The topic of the thread is that the tackle the catch philosophy, which LeBeau has always used, including last year when they led the league in yards and points, is all of a sudden terrible because of two bad games in the first quarter of the season. Not only is the idea shortsighted, but it's a knee-jerk reaction after only 4 games. Should they be playing better? Yes, and they probably will. But does that mean that all of a sudden the scheme that has worked since LeBeau has been here no longer works just because one offense scores 34 points and another scored 25? I'm inclined to let the remainder of the season dictate that, especially when they have yet to play a game with their two starting safeties and James Harrison just got back.

I never said Dick LeBeau sucked and that all DBs need to be cut. That's a silly strawman argument on your part.

Last year's ranking was nice, but we played maybe the worst group of QBs one could hope to face.

And don't give me what we did against Brady. He put up 200 yards and 2 TD's in 20 minutes of football. Our offense won that game by controlling the ball for 40 minutes.

Bottom line, it's not working this year. Why no adjustments? Seems we roll out the same players and schemes and just tell them to play better. Well, it's hard to cover when you're back in zone and not rushing the passer. They adjusted after the first two drives against the Jets and it was great. Press coverage, attacking the pocket, which I argue is aided when the QB can't simply throw to a wide open underneath receiver.

If we play passive defense we'll get chewed up by the better QBs, even some that are not so hot.

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by maddog78

If we play passive defense we'll get chewed up by the better QBs, even some that are not so hot.

and if we play aggressive press coverage we will get eaten alive deep by speedy wr's.

pick your poison.

maybe if lebeau just starts playing madden he will figure it out like all these internet coordinators.

anyways this thread reminds me of all the brilliant fans who said william gay was garbage and the worst CB in the entire league last 2-3 years and how anyone on our roster could do better than him. now he is 4-1 and fans wish we had someone better. HA!

[Fire Arians]

i wouldn't say william gay is garbage but i do think cortez allen is an upgrade over him

[Hawaii 5-0]

Originally Posted by Dodens Grav

I was not ignoring anything. I was pointing out positive statistics so that they don't get swept under the rug during the "Dick LeBeau sucks and every defensive back on the roster needs to be cut" parade that occurs every time the other team scores a touchdown.

you are such a drama queen, exaggerate much?

nobody in this thread said anything close to that...

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by Hawaii 5-0

you are such a drama queen, exaggerate much?

nobody in this thread said anything close to that...

there is a very lengthy thread or 2 where that is the central theme though, and so many knee jerkers participate and chime in with their bridge jumping frustrations, its hard to differentiate or remember who the main culprits are.

their ranst through 3-4 games are all pretty much the same, video game garbage suggesting our 4.54 CB's should play bump n run with 4.34 WR's.

[Hawaii 5-0]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

there is a very lengthy thread or 2 where that is the central theme though, and so many knee jerkers participate and chime in with their bridge jumping frustrations, its hard to differentiate or remember who the main culprits are.

their ranst through 3-4 games are all pretty much the same, video game garbage suggesting our 4.54 CB's should play bump n run with 4.34 WR's.

where and when did anyone suggest that everyone of our defensive backs should be cut?

[Darkstorm05]

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

i wouldn't say william gay is garbage but i do think cortez allen is an upgrade over him

I would concur, except I will say Gay was garbage. Yea, he eventually managed to string together like 3 games without costing us a loss, but that doesn't make him good.

I still say Ike is an OK CB. Ideally, I think if we can grab one "Great" CB, and move Ike to our 2nd CB, we'd be fine. If Troy turns out to be done, then we see what Allen can do, but might need a Safety in the mix, as well.

[FrancoLambert]

Originally Posted by Darkstorm05

I would concur, except I will say Gay was garbage. Yea, he eventually managed to string together like 3 games without costing us a loss, but that doesn't make him good.

I still say Ike is an OK CB. Ideally, I think if we can grab one "Great" CB, and move Ike to our 2nd CB, we'd be fine. If Troy turns out to be done, then we see what Allen can do, but might need a Safety in the mix, as well.

No "might."
We need a safety added to the mix.
I'd like to see Allen get more plays this week; I've seen enough of Mundy.
He hits hard but late. He gets juked a lot. Gets the dropsies on possible picks.

[teegre]

Originally Posted by FrancoLambert

No "might."
We need a safety added to the mix.
I'd like to see Allen get more plays this week; I've seen enough of Mundy.
He hits hard but late. He gets juked a lot. Gets the dropsies on possible picks.

Agreed... and luckily, next year is the year of the safety (Robert Lester, Eric Reid, TJ McDonald, Matt elam, yadda...).

I'd like to see Robert Golden get more plays (as opposed to Will Allen). Wait... did you mean Cortez Allen?... if so, I agree 100% with this post. More Cortez; more Golden; more Reid. Done.