How Todd Haley and Big Ben are getting along...

[Rotorhead]

Well, except for the fact that we are avging more ppg than last year, sacks are down, we have the best 3rd down percentage in the league and its higher than last years, redzone eff is far better than last year . . . Etc etc, those are all facts and not opinions.

[fansince'76]

Originally Posted by Rotorhead

redzone eff is far better than last year . . .

No, it's not.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ne-scoring-pct

[teegre]

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan

When healthy - the starting running back is banged up again and 3 out of the 5 starting offensive linemen ae hurt - OL once again is a mess, which has to hurt production

This... and if I might add (something that I've posted in other threads, but bears iteration):

If Wallace doesn't drop and/or AB doesn't fumble and/or Cotchery doesn't fall down, the Steelers have an extra 1-3 (or 5) TDs... and probably, two more wins.

Once the WRs start playing up to their talent level, this offense will be SCARY!!!

[teegre]

Originally Posted by fansince'76

No, it's not.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ne-scoring-pct

I do not believe that that counts FGs (which are way up).

Suisham is money ...well... except from 54 yards.

[FanSince72]

Originally Posted by Rotorhead

Well, except for the fact that we are avging more ppg than last year, sacks are down, we have the best 3rd down percentage in the league and its higher than last years, redzone eff is far better than last year . . . Etc etc, those are all facts and not opinions.

True.

And yet none of those facts has anything whatsoever to do with the subject of the article which is that Ben and Haley don't get along and that there's friction between them.

Ben's numbers have nothing to do with it.

Ben's numbers are better, but the O-line is healthier than it has been in the past and perhaps Haley has even added a few wrinkles or changed a few things that have contributed to those numbers. It could even be that Ben is doing things on his own and having some success in an effort to prove that he doesn't need Haley or that he's doing these things in spite of Haley.

I have no idea whether any of that is true or not but I do believe that Ben is not happy with Haley and that's what the article dealt with.

[maddog78]

Originally Posted by FanSince72

Yes, that's my opinion.

Just as anything you have to say would be YOUR opinion.

That's all this board is -- a bunch of OPINIONS.

I am entitled to express whatever opinion I may have and you are just as entitled to agree or disagree with it as you see fit.
There are no experts here and no one here is currently playing for the Steelers nor is anyone affiliated with the Steelers other than as a fan.
So no one here "knows" any more than I or anyone else does about what may or may not REALLY be happening inside the Steelers locker room.

So whatever anyone here says,it's ALL opinion and nothing more.

Bzzzt. I cited statistical evidence that they're better. There's also the eyeball test. Do you doubt that Ben is getting hit much less and using all his receivers? Do you doubt we're scoring more than last year despite the evidence?

YOU called your opinions "facts" when you tried to rebut my argument. Not me.

[maddog78]

Originally Posted by FanSince72

True.

And yet none of those facts has anything whatsoever to do with the subject of the article which is that Ben and Haley don't get along and that there's friction between them.

Ben's numbers have nothing to do with it.

Ben's numbers are better, but the O-line is healthier than it has been in the past and perhaps Haley has even added a few wrinkles or changed a few things that have contributed to those numbers. It could even be that Ben is doing things on his own and having some success in an effort to prove that he doesn't need Haley or that he's doing these things in spite of Haley.

I have no idea whether any of that is true or not but I do believe that Ben is not happy with Haley and that's what the article dealt with.

The article was speculation, and you tried to parlay it into it showing on the field, when nothing could be further from the truth.

And by the way, don't you have the Browns to prepare for, Bruce?

[Atlanta Dan]

No question the media keeps stirring the pot on what they hope is a Ben-Haley blow-up even if there is little to suppport it happening

This from Jason La Canfora today on CBS Sportsline

If Pittsburgh can't get it going offensively -- and Mike Wallace needs to re-emerge as a consistent vertical threat to make that happen -- then some in the organization fear a sideline showdown between quarterback and coordinator at some point.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...-the-appetizer

[FanSince72]

Originally Posted by maddog78

The article was speculation, and you tried to parlay it into it showing on the field, when nothing could be further from the truth.

And by the way, don't you have the Browns to prepare for, Bruce?

Really?

What team have you been watching?

Are you suggesting that this offense is something that's really "clicking"?
It does from time to time but I'd hardly think of it as anything special just yet.

Yes, we're averaging 3 points better than last year but as I said, we also have a more stable O-line and no major injuries at the skill positions - something we had a fair amount of last year, so you could argue that those 3 points might have happened anyway even if Haley wasn't here. And as I also said, Haley may very well be responsible for those 3 extra points because it's also true that someone doesn't have to like someone in order to understand what they're trying to do or asking others to do.

As for showing it on the field, that doesn't seem to be the case, but is that because of or in spite of Haley? I watch whenever Ben comes to the sideline and I watch his overall body language and the way he talks with Haley and I think it's pretty obvious that he tolerates him as much as he has to but that's about it.

When BA was here, it was quite different. It was more like watching two close friends or even a father and son (like BA is doing now with Luck in Indy) and I think that's what Ben misses. Whether that means anything as far as field production goes is anyone's guess, but speculative or not, I think the article points out something that I believe is true.

[Bayz101]

Lots of "I've been told" and "I've heard" but absolutely NO quotes of significance. Bullshit article.