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Old 10-21-2012, 01:08 PM   #21
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ouch! that hurts...

The author fails to understand the concept of the defense which, in addition to stopping the run, is keen to not give up the big play and to let the qb work his way down the field. The concept preached during Cowher's years was 'keep the receiver ahead of you', meaning, give the cushion, but make the tackle, and let the QB earn it by being accurate and making more throws. In the long run, the defense can be more successful with this approach. However, with quality QB's, this concept does not work as well.
LOL..doesn't the article say exactly what you just said?

The part about "with quality QBs, this concept does not work as well." means the defense might be overrated.


And does anyone think ANY Ravens defense in the past 10 years would allow Bruce Gradkowski to beat them on their own turf.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos...-Steelers-2009

The Steeler's defenses have been very good (when healthy), but I can't argue that they haven't been overrated "recently".
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:08 PM   #22
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And does anyone think ANY Ravens defense in the past 10 years would allow Bruce Gradkowski to beat them on their own turf.
Didn't BALT lose to a pathetic JAX team last year? Gabbert is no Brady.
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Steelers turn up D to beat Bengals

UPDATED OCT 22, 2012

CINCINNATI (AP)
The top two running backs were gone. So were two offensive linemen. Safety Troy Polamalu was sitting on the bench along with all those other injured Steelers.

So, what exactly did Pittsburgh have left? A determined defense. Some reserve running backs. And Ben Roethlisberger.

That's enough, especially in Cincinnati.

Roethlisberger threw for a touchdown, and Pittsburgh's defense clamped down on the Bengals' Dalton-to-Green connection for a 24-17 victory Sunday night that got the Steelers back into the thick of the AFC North race.

For the Steelers (3-3), it was a significant win under tough conditions. Their first road victory of the season moved them into second place behind Baltimore (5-2), which lost to Houston 43-13 earlier Sunday.

''It puts us right there in the hunt,'' safety Ryan Clark said.

A lot of players got them there on a tough night.

Third-year running back Jonathan Dwyer made his first career start and ran for a career-high 122 yards, including a 32-yard gain in the final minute that put it away. Shaun Suisham kicked field goals of 42, 47 and 42 yards. And the defense came up with a game-turning interception.

''It was a back-against-the-wall mentality and you've got to fight your way out,'' said cornerback Ike Taylor, who helped limit Pro Bowl receiver A.J. Green to one catch.

Cincinnati (3-4) wasted yet another chance to show it deserved to be considered up there with the division's two most successful teams. The Bengals fell to 0-6 against the Steelers and Ravens over the last two seasons, a sign they are still an also-ran in their division.

They have lost three straight, falling into third place in the division.

''It's going to be tough to sleep,'' Bengals cornerback Leon Hall said. ''At the end of the day, we've lost three in a row and we're in a tough spot.''

This was their best chance yet to break through, especially after the Steelers dropped passes, fumbled and threw an end zone interception in a self-destructive first half. They couldn't take full advantage against the team that always seems to win on their home field.

The Steelers improved to 12-2 at Paul Brown Stadium, where thousands of towel-waving fans make them feel at home. They have won their last five overall against their Ohio River rival and 10 of the last 12.

And once again, the Bengals could blame themselves.

Andy Dalton's slip-out-of-the-hand interception set up Roethlisberger's 9-yard touchdown pass to Heath Miller and a tying 2-point conversion to the tight end with 24 seconds left in the half. Chris Rainey's 11-yard touchdown run put the Steelers ahead early in the fourth quarter, and the injury fill-ins finished them off.

''I'm proud of the way those young guys stepped up,'' said Roethlisberger, who was 27 of 37 for 278 yards. ''There never was a doubt they would do that.''

The Bengals got the better of it at the outset, pulling ahead 14-3 by getting their running game moving behind BenJarvus Green-Ellis and turning a fumble by Roethlisberger into a touchdown. If they were going to end that streak of futility against the Steelers, this was their chance.

Dalton's only glaring mistake made the difference.

He saw a defender waiting to make an interception and tried to stop his throwing motion. The ball slipped out of his hand, hit the helmet of Bengals lineman Kevin Zeitler and deflected to linebacker LaMarr Woodley at the Cincinnati 29-yard line with 1:23 left in the half. That set up Roethlisberger's tying TD pass and conversion.

''You can't have a thing like that happen,'' Dalton said. ''We had a chance to go down and score points or at least keep it where it was. What you can't let happen is not just let the ball slip out of your hands, but let them get an interception and get points.''

Dalton was 14 of 28 for only 105 yards with a touchdown and an interception. He threw six passes toward Green but completed only one, an 8-yard touchdown after Roethlisberger's fumble.

The Steelers' 31st-ranked running game was missing Rashard Mendenhall and Isaac Redman, as well as center Maurkice Pouncey and right tackle Marcus Gilbert. Rookie Mike Adams made his first start in Gilbert's spot.

Plus, Polamalu was inactive for the fourth time in the last five games with a calf injury.

That put a lot on Roethlisberger, who usually does well in his home state 15-2 all-time in Cleveland and Cincinnati but rarely has been so short-handed.

Didn't matter.

''On the road, which is big for us, in this hostile environment I can't say enough about it,'' Roethlisberger said.

Notes: Steelers rookie NT Alameda Ta'amu served the first of his two-game suspension for his arrest last weekend. ... Bengals rookie CB Dre Kirkpatrick was inactive for the seventh game. He hurt his left knee over the summer and hasn't played. He's expected to be ready after the Bengals' upcoming bye week. ... Bengals C Jeff Faine injured a hamstring, forcing rookie Trevor Robinson to take over in the second half. ... The Steelers wasted a chance to score off a trick play in the first half. Roethlisberger threw a lateral to Antonio Brown, who threw a pass to uncovered running back Baron Batch. The ball went through his arms. Roethlisberger then threw an end zone interception.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/B...Bengals-102112
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:34 AM   #24
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185 net yards allowed on the road. Yup, the game has passed him by.
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The D played well after initial drive but it is clear the national media is buying in to the Steelers D is old and in decline story. This from Peter King in his MMQB column this morning

I think it's been a long time since I saw the Steelers get gashed on the run the way Cincinnati gashed them early Sunday night. Nine carries, 49 rushing yards on the first drive. We're seeing a changing of the defensive guard in Pittsburgh right now, and it's not good.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201.../week-7/4.html

Statement game at home agaisnt the Redskins and RGIII next Sunday - need to get a split these next 2 weeks and then hopefully start a winning streak with the Ravens at Heinz and wins against Chiefs at home and Browns on the road
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185 net yards allowed on the road. Yup, the game has passed him by.
One good road game on Defense doesn't erase the disasters in Oakland and Tennessee. Even then this game was well on it's way to be another Defensive disaster with the bad opening drive and being down 14-3.

Next week DL is going up against the explosive Redskins and RGIII. We'll see how our D will keep it going.
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185 net yards allowed on the road. Yup, the game has passed him by.
Good game, and good thing the offense held the ball for 40 minutes.
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One good road game on Defense doesn't erase the disasters in Oakland and Tennessee. Even then this game was well on it's way to be another Defensive disaster with the bad opening drive and being down 14-3.

Next week DL is going up against the explosive Redskins and RGIII. We'll see how our D will keep it going.
Exactly.

Last night, LeBeau made some great adjustments and the defense played very well afterward, but going down 14-3 to Cincy is not the same as doing the same against GB, Houston, New Orleans, or the Giants and the questions are still there.

But in fairness, if something is broken it isn't always possible to fix it in one game.
It may take a few more games to get all of the bugs worked out and I'm willing to wait and see how things go from here, but this defense still has some glaring issues and not every opponent will allow us to come back from huge early-game miscues.
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I do like the fact that Harrison and Woodley are back at it together, although not exactly at 100%. If they can consistently play like they did in the 2nd half, they might just be good enough to help win without Troy.

As you said FanSince72, better teams will not let us get away with all those first half mistakes. Better teams would have done even more with all the bungles.
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I do like the fact that Harrison and Woodley are back at it together, although not exactly at 100%.
Harrison does not appear to be anywhere close to being back - the video of Harrison previously being able to get leverage on the lineman when he came in at a 40 degree angle while placing great stress on his knee and now coming in at a higher 60 degree angle and getting less leverage was telling
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