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Old 11-08-2012, 04:25 PM   #11
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I'd be willing to bet Tomlin would have zero without BR7......Plain and simple, need a franchise QB. Any Head Coach.
Tell that to the Ravens and the Buccaneers.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:27 PM   #12
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Tell that to the Ravens and the Buccaneers.
Heck, if you wanted to you could throw the Giants in there too. I don't think Eli is that great of a quarterback either.

What do you think that means?

Could it be that.... no, it couldn't....

Great teams win championships?
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:54 PM   #13
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Tell that to the Ravens and the Buccaneers.
Exception, not the norm. BR is the key. Steelers had some great teams in the all those years they didnt win....but they didnt have a BR.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:07 PM   #14
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What did Cowher have.. Something like 6 AFCC appearances with mostly horrible QB's? He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. Cowher's teams had compiled a record of 108–1–1 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points. (that is crazy!)


I'm not comparing Tomlin vs Cowher when I say this... Cowher was one of the best coaches in NFL history for doing what he did. No one argues that Marino wasn't an amazing QB yet he doesn't have the rings to back it up. Cowher has rings and he has stats... When you consider what he had and how he imposed his will on opponents...and he did it his own way. That is why Coach Cowher is one of the greats. To deny that is just ignorant or disingenuous.


Is Tomlin a great head coach? I'd say it's too early to tell. Is he good? I'd say yes..he's very good. But if you are honest you can't deny the fact that he's been given a team loaded with talent at key positions...he's been given a first class coaching staff as well...and he's got a ring. Tomlin has done what is expected ... for the most part. No one can say Tomlin has surpassed expectations IMO... everyone expects us to be SB contenders... been that way since this Ben kid came along.

To be honest I almost think Tomlin would have to win with a different QB (then Ben) then he'd be given the accolades Cowher has been given. Either that or he'd have to win a couple more SB's with Ben. Maybe its unfair? But that's just how people think...they give way more credit to guys who start from scratch and rise up from the bottom. It's in our blood as Americans to give more credence to that kind of success. The guy who takes over Apple is never going to be given the credit of Steve Jobs... no matter what he does.

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I'd be willing to bet Tomlin would have zero without BR7......Plain and simple, need a franchise QB. Any Head Coach.
so all non-franchise qb's only wanna play for a HC that already has a franchise qb?

that doesnt make much sense.

i'd be willing to bet that if every coach had a franchise qb like BR&, mike tomlin would STILL win this vote.

lets face it, there are plenty of players who would like to play with a coach like vermiel, cowher, fisher, lovie smith regardless of qb.

but to your point EVERYBODY wants to be part of a winning team or situation. obvious human nature doesnt negate tomlins popularity or style amongst players, though.
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Heck, if you wanted to you could throw the Giants in there too. I don't think Eli is that great of a quarterback either.

What do you think that means?

Could it be that.... no, it couldn't....

Great teams win championships?
Eli not a great QB? C'mon????
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Exception, not the norm. BR is the key. Steelers had some great teams in the all those years they didnt win....but they didnt have a BR.
Exactly...We had better teams overall not win the big one than the last 2 that did.
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I'd be willing to bet Tomlin would have zero without BR7......Plain and simple, need a franchise QB. Any Head Coach.
Belichick would have zero without Brady. Walsh would have zero without Montana. ____ would have zero without ___. Et cetera...
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Belichick would have zero without Brady. Walsh would have zero without Montana. ____ would have zero without ___. Et cetera...

This statement was in reference to the post that Cowher only had 1 ring in 15 years, and none till Big Ben.....Which i replied Tomlin would have none without BR7 either.
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