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Old 11-11-2012, 07:39 PM   #31
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I might be in the minority here, but I think that was an awesome call. The best time to practice a fake field goal is in a real game when you don't need it. That way you have a much better idea of what might work for those times when you do.

The worst time to try a fake field goal is when you do need it, and run some stupid play that doesn't work. You lose the 7 and 3 points.

Just like the extra 2 point conversion against us Baltimore went for a couple years back.

They didn't need it then, but in 3 years when they think they do, I bet they have at least a 95% chance that it will work.

The Harbaugh's are highly regarded coaches for a reason. They are not coaching just the game they are playing, they are also planning and prepping for years down the road.

That is why they are highly regarded and were much sought after. Not because they are worried about hurting someone's feelings on a message board.

They are out there doing it, while you sit at home and get mad about some stupid shit.

Might be in the minority? It's pretty clear that you're standing alone, or side by side with your man crush, Harbaugh.

Dude's a jerk and always will be. If you think that was for practice, I don't have much faith in your level of intelligence. So telling me the Harbaugh's are geniuses doesn't really mean much.

What comes around goes around.
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:40 PM   #32
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Both Harbaugh brothers have yet to win the big game, and until they do, the hype goes on deaf ears. For me, at least.
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:44 PM   #33
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And for the record...I wouldn't have faked the field goal. The Raiders we're showing a little of what they could do on offense, but the lead the Ravens already had was simply too much. The field goal would have double-sealed and already sealed victory. The ONLY reason i'm not calling the coach out for the fake is simply because the Radiers we're talking shit beforehand, and they we're showing a little toughness on previous drives. The touchdown on the return ran the score up even higher, but that's obviously on the Raiders special teams and the refs missing a block on the back.

As a matter of fact, the refs "missed" a lot of calls between both Harbaugh brothers today. Kind of funny.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #34
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The Harbaughs (John especially) are the modern day rendition of guys like Bum Phillips and Chuck Knox. Popular Coaches for their time, but ultimately held back by lack of Championship Success.

Harbaugh, much like the entire Ravens team, don't get much respect or hype until they win something worth celebrating about.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:45 AM   #35
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It is gutless, which in my eyes, makes it brilliant. ..

The NFL is different of course, but if someone like that were to coach in the NFL in the same manner, it could take the game to a whole other level.
Peter King of SI.com disagrees

Can't figure out, though, why the Ravens, with a 41-17 lead and 20 minutes left over a vanquished opponent, would use a fake field goal. Nothing to do with running up the score -- only with the thought that you don't want to show fake field goals and the like to future opponents when it's garbage time.

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Old 11-12-2012, 10:21 AM   #36
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The Harbaughs (John especially) are the modern day rendition of guys like Bum Phillips and Chuck Knox. Popular Coaches for their time, but ultimately held back by lack of Championship Success.

Harbaugh, much like the entire Ravens team, don't get much respect or hype until they win something worth celebrating about.
Are you kidding me? John has the more Gatorade baths than any coach in the league. How is that not reason to gloat?
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My pick for the steal of last years draft, Taiwan Jones, gets his first start agaainst the Ravens this week.

Now you are going to see the next great NFL legend begin his journey.

The Ravens "D" better eat their wheaties.
2 rushes for 6 yards for Taiwan, 72 yards allowed on the day. Must have had a big bowl of Wheaties.
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For the record, and this probably isn't apparent for people who live outside of Baltimore or are not fans, we ran the fake field goal and "ran up the score" because fans are very critical of the Raven's ability to finish a game.

According to local talk personalities whenever we lose a close game it is because we took our foot off the gas or did not step on our opponents neck and let them hang around after going up by 10-13 points. I think the idea here was to score as many points as possible until the raiders D stopped us, which they never did. Had your team done it I think you would feel the same way Raven's fans feel this week, about 50/50 on the subject.

Also, keep in mind we pulled our starters for the entire 4th quarter and didn't play our most prolific defensive player at all. I thought we gave them a clean, fair game. In your opinions, do you think we should have just taken knees starting with 10 minutes left in the third quarter?
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do you think we should have just taken knees starting with 10 minutes left in the third quarter?
Hell no!

Look.... I'm as die hard a Raiders fan as you'll find....I'm not pissed at all about the score. I'm pissed that my team sucks this bad! If they didn't like the scoring..... STOP THEM!
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So, they've shown they can win games in the regular season and choke in the playoffs.
The Ravens have either been in the conference semifinals or conference finals every year since 2008, winning at least one playoff game in each try. During that same time span, Pittsburgh has only advanced as far (albeit further) twice, a full 50% less than Baltimore.

I suppose that you're right in that Baltimore has "choked," if you take that phrase to mean losing to elite opponents, but I would give a team like Baltimore more credit for losing to the best than being Pittsburgh and sitting at home or losing to Tim Tebow (as the Steelers did in 2009 and 2011, respectively).

The Ravens have won as many playoff games as Pittsburgh since Harbaugh came on, and received four playoff berths to Pittsburgh's three. For kicks, the Ravens have five playoff berths to Pittsburgh's four if you want to go pre-Harbaugh but after Pittsburgh's 2005 SB run.

This seems to indicate that post-2005, and certainly during the Harbaugh era, the Ravens have been more successful at reaching the playoffs.

On the other hand, you can certainly make a strong case for Pittsburgh being more successful than Baltimore when actually in the playoffs, but considering that the Steelers have enjoyed a prolific decade, this isn't to say that the Ravens haven't been successful in their own right, thus refuting your claim of them only winning in the regular season.

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John has proven time and time again he can't beat elite teams in the playoffs (Steelers, Patriots)
I'd argue that he has beaten just as many quality opponents as Pittsburgh has during the same time period, despite Pittsburgh appearing vastly superior because of its advancement to two Super Bowls.

Since 2008, and in the playoffs, the Ravens have beaten Miami and Tennessee (2008), New England (2009 and contrary to your explicit claim), Kansas City (2010), and Houston (2011). Pittsburgh has defeated San Diego, Baltimore, and Arizona (2008), and Baltimore and the New York Jets (2010). Since you're into spinning facts into your own factoids, I'll let you do the analysis, but I'm not sure there's a wide margin in talent defeated, and in fact I might give the edge to the Ravens.

It's also unfair to lump Jim/John together; John Harbaugh has been one of the three or four most successful coaches in the league during his five-year tenure. Jim has had one good season.

If you choose to provide some sort of dissection as to the prestige of opponents faced, then carry on with whatever helps you rest easy, but the facts (read: wins/losses) stand.
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