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[Bayz101]

Blah blah fucking blah. Joe Flacco, drafted in '08, has failed to lead your team to the big game. Beaten TWICE by the Pittsburgh Steelers when it matters, in the playoffs. Embarrassed. When Joe Flacco at least MAKES it to the Super Bowl, i'll give him a little credit. That hasn't happened.

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by Ravnet

The Ravens have either been in the conference semifinals or conference finals every year since 2008, winning at least one playoff game in each try. During that same time span, Pittsburgh has only advanced as far (albeit further) twice, a full 50% less than Baltimore.

I suppose that you're right in that Baltimore has "choked," if you take that phrase to mean losing to elite opponents, but I would give a team like Baltimore more credit for losing to the best than being Pittsburgh and sitting at home or losing to Tim Tebow (as the Steelers did in 2009 and 2011, respectively).

The Ravens have won as many playoff games as Pittsburgh since Harbaugh came on, and received four playoff berths to Pittsburgh's three. For kicks, the Ravens have five playoff berths to Pittsburgh's four if you want to go pre-Harbaugh but after Pittsburgh's 2005 SB run.

This seems to indicate that post-2005, and certainly during the Harbaugh era, the Ravens have been more successful at reaching the playoffs.

On the other hand, you can certainly make a strong case for Pittsburgh being more successful than Baltimore when actually in the playoffs, but considering that the Steelers have enjoyed a prolific decade, this isn't to say that the Ravens haven't been successful in their own right, thus refuting your claim of them only winning in the regular season.



I'd argue that he has beaten just as many quality opponents as Pittsburgh has during the same time period, despite Pittsburgh appearing vastly superior because of its advancement to two Super Bowls.

Since 2008, and in the playoffs, the Ravens have beaten Miami and Tennessee (2008), New England (2009 and contrary to your explicit claim), Kansas City (2010), and Houston (2011). Pittsburgh has defeated San Diego, Baltimore, and Arizona (2008), and Baltimore and the New York Jets (2010). Since you're into spinning facts into your own factoids, I'll let you do the analysis, but I'm not sure there's a wide margin in talent defeated, and in fact I might give the edge to the Ravens.

It's also unfair to lump Jim/John together; John Harbaugh has been one of the three or four most successful coaches in the league during his five-year tenure. Jim has had one good season.

If you choose to provide some sort of dissection as to the prestige of opponents faced, then carry on with whatever helps you rest easy, but the facts (read: wins/losses) stand.

I only read the two quotes you used in your post. Whatever you had to add to it, nobody cares.

[Ravnet]

Originally Posted by Bayz101

Blah blah fucking blah. Joe Flacco, drafted in '08, has failed to lead your team to the big game. Beaten TWICE by the Pittsburgh Steelers when it matters, in the playoffs. Embarrassed. When Joe Flacco at least MAKES it to the Super Bowl, i'll give him a little credit. That hasn't happened.

Flacco has as many postseason wins as Ben did in his first four years (5 apiece), and Harbaugh has as many postseason wins as Tomlin did in his first four (5 apiece).

Flacco has as many regular season wins as Ben did in his first four years (44 apiece), and Harbaugh has more regular season wins than Tomlin did in his first four years (44 vs. 43).

Flacco has more playoff berths than Ben in his first four years (4 vs. 3), and Harbaugh has more playoff berths than Tomlin in his first four years (4 vs. 3).

I'd say the Ravens are knocking.

[Ravnet]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

I only read the two quotes you used in your post. Whatever you had to add to it, nobody cares.

Well then that's it, you've convinced me, Joe Flacco sucks!

[Bayz101]

How many times has Flacco beaten the Steelers in the playoffs? You do realize that if the Ravens miss out on the Super Bowl yet again this year that Flacco will have went the same amount of time without ONE ring that Ben did to get a SECOND? Bottom line is you guys need to get to the big game. Flacco has had plenty of time and talent and has come up empty. No excuses after this season. This is the year you need to win it all.

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by Ravnet

Flacco has as many postseason wins as Ben did in his first four years (5 apiece), and Harbaugh has as many postseason wins as Tomlin did in his first four (5 apiece).

Flacco has as many regular season wins as Ben did in his first four years (44 apiece), and Harbaugh has more regular season wins than Tomlin did in his first four years (44 vs. 43).

Flacco has more playoff berths than Ben in his first four years (4 vs. 3), and Harbaugh has more playoff berths than Tomlin in his first four years (4 vs. 3).

I'd say the Ravens are knocking.

No, no, no. You've got it all wrong. The joke begins with "Knock, knock." In the end you say the Ravens are at the door, and we all have a good laugh.

[SteelersCanada]

I wasn't going to do it. I was going to let you enjoy your little spotlight of how good the Ravens have been in the playoffs and do your little happy dance, but I'll bite.

Originally Posted by Ravnet

The Ravens have either been in the conference semifinals or conference finals every year since 2008, winning at least one playoff game in each try. During that same time span, Pittsburgh has only advanced as far (albeit further) twice, a full 50% less than Baltimore.

I'm going to take the Super Bowl win over your playoff wins and ultimately defeats. Your argument here ends. Great, you made the playoffs and beat Miami and Tennessee, but ultimately lost. Key word: lost.

Originally Posted by Ravnet

I suppose that you're right in that Baltimore has "choked," if you take that phrase to mean losing to elite opponents, but I would give a team like Baltimore more credit for losing to the best than being Pittsburgh and sitting at home or losing to Tim Tebow (as the Steelers did in 2009 and 2011, respectively).

A Tim Tebow loss shot - I didn't expect any better. Again, we lost a playoff game to an inferior opponent and there's no getting around it. See, we don't make excuses. We recognize we lost and we moved on already and it's a little sad that Ravens fans have to keep bringing it up. Why? You can't beat us in the playoffs. So, you bring up another teams victory and use it like it's your own. Stop it, you look ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Ravnet

The Ravens have won as many playoff games as Pittsburgh since Harbaugh came on, and received four playoff berths to Pittsburgh's three. For kicks, the Ravens have five playoff berths to Pittsburgh's four if you want to go pre-Harbaugh but after Pittsburgh's 2005 SB run. This seems to indicate that post-2005, and certainly during the Harbaugh era, the Ravens have been more successful at reaching the playoffs.

With one (in reality, it's two) less ring(s). Take your playoff wins and again, losses, and we'll take our championships. Oh, and of course throw out one of our Super Bowl wins - it only makes you and your argument look ridiculous. You're reaching, and it comes off as desperate.

Originally Posted by Ravnet

On the other hand, you can certainly make a strong case for Pittsburgh being more successful than Baltimore when actually in the playoffs, but considering that the Steelers have enjoyed a prolific decade, this isn't to say that the Ravens haven't been successful in their own right, thus refuting your claim of them only winning in the regular season.

Successful in their own right? Do you know what they call almost winning an AFC Championship game and getting to a Super Bowl? Losing.

Originally Posted by Ravnet

I'd argue that he has beaten just as many quality opponents as Pittsburgh has during the same time period, despite Pittsburgh appearing vastly superior because of its advancement to two Super Bowls.

I cut out the last couple of paragraphs because it was ranting about things I don't really care about. This is the part that made me laugh out loud when I read it.

Appearing vastly superior? Appearing? No. A team IS vastly superior when they reach the big game twice (defeating the Ratbirds twice in the process) compared to the Ravens' 0. Zero, as in it didn't happen. Zero, as in the amount of times the Ravens' have defeated the Steelers in the playoffs. Take your "quality opponent" victories, and we'll take our victories over you in the playoffs every. single. time. and our Championship rings.

Zero, as in the amount of rings John Harbaugh has.

I don't think I understand your argument. You're defending losing in the playoffs because you've been there more times? That's great, you made the playoffs and did absolutely nothing while in it. You didn't win, you didn't accomplish anything. It's a pretty weak argument to use. Congratulations, you have a coach that will take you the post-season and lose, which brings me back to my original point:

He can't win when it matters.

Oh I didn't even see this little gem until after I posted.

Originally Posted by Ravnet

Flacco has more playoff berths than Ben in his first four years (4 vs. 3), and Harbaugh has more playoff berths than Tomlin in his first four years (4 vs. 3).

With two less AFC Titles and Championships. And in the case of Roethlisberger, TWO less rings.

[BleedPurple]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

I wasn't going to do it. I was going to let you enjoy your little spotlight of how good the Ravens have been in the playoffs and do your little happy dance, but I'll bite.



I'm going to take the Super Bowl win over your playoff wins and ultimately defeats. Your argument here ends. Great, you made the playoffs and beat Miami and Tennessee, but ultimately lost. Key word: lost.



A Tim Tebow loss shot - I didn't expect any better. Again, we lost a playoff game to an inferior opponent and there's no getting around it. See, we don't make excuses. We recognize we lost and we moved on already and it's a little sad that Ravens fans have to keep bringing it up. Why? You can't beat us in the playoffs. So, you bring up another teams victory and use it like it's your own. Stop it, you look ridiculous.



With one (in reality, it's two) less ring(s). Take your playoff wins and again, losses, and we'll take our championships. Oh, and of course throw out one of our Super Bowl wins - it only makes you and your argument look ridiculous. You're reaching, and it comes off as desperate.



Successful in their own right? Do you know what they call almost winning an AFC Championship game and getting to a Super Bowl? Losing.



I cut out the last couple of paragraphs because it was ranting about things I don't really care about. This is the part that made me laugh out loud when I read it.

Appearing vastly superior? Appearing? No. A team IS vastly superior when they reach the big game twice (defeating the Ratbirds twice in the process) compared to the Ravens' 0. Zero, as in it didn't happen. Zero, as in the amount of times the Ravens' have defeated the Steelers in the playoffs. Take your "quality opponent" victories, and we'll take our victories over you in the playoffs every. single. time. and our Championship rings.

Zero, as in the amount of rings John Harbaugh has.

I don't think I understand your argument. You're defending losing in the playoffs because you've been there more times? That's great, you made the playoffs and did absolutely nothing while in it. You didn't win, you didn't accomplish anything. It's a pretty weak argument to use. Congratulations, you have a coach that will take you the post-season and lose, which brings me back to my original point:

He can't win when it matters.

Oh I didn't even see this little gem until after I posted.



With two less AFC Titles and Championships. And in the case of Roethlisberger, TWO less rings.

If you had gotten past Tebow we might have had a chance to beat you in the AFCCG last year. Can't really fault us for not beating a team who was sitting on the couch through most of the playoffs.

[SteelersCanada]

Originally Posted by BleedPurple

If you had gotten past Tebow we might have had a chance to beat you in the AFCCG last year. Can't really fault us for not beating a team who was sitting on the couch through most of the playoffs.

[Ricco Suavez]

Ravens must get their inspiration from almost. As in we almost won a conference championship or we almost beat the Steelers in the playoffs. Who knows if yall could make to us every year in the playoffs we might be 6-0 against you, using your logic it makes sense to me. Yall shot your wad last year and choked in the AFCCG, both Flacco your "stud" WR and your kicker. Perhaps this year your team should concentrate more on finishing a season than giving you "smelly " coach a gatorade bath after epic regualr season wins. There lies the biggest difference between the Steelers and the Ravens, one has been there done that and you on the other hand celebrate the little things that make you feel good about yourselves.