Rockets land in field outside Jerusalem as war looms over Gaza

[MACH1]

Irans fighting a proxy war through hamas. Where do you think all those rockets come from?

[SCMom]

"We lock them there in a big ghetto...we treat them as animals, and this is the result"

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[ricardisimo]

Originally Posted by MACH1

Irans fighting a proxy war through hamas. Where do you think all those rockets come from?

Well, let's look at that:

• The Qassam rocket (Arabic: صاروخ القسام‎ Ṣārūkh al-Qassām; also Kassam) is a simple steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military arm of Hamas. Three models have been produced and used, with the first introduced in 2001.
• The al-Quds 101 Rocket is a homemade rocket made and used by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad for use in attacks against Israel.
• Katyusha multiple rocket launchers (Russian: Катю́ша; IPA: [kɐˈtʲʉʂə] ( listen)) are a type of rocket artillery first built and fielded by the Soviet Union in World War II.
• The BM-21 launch vehicle (Russian: БМ-21 "Град"), a Soviet truck-mounted 122 mm multiple rocket launcher,[1] and a M-21OF rocket[2] were developed in the early 1960s.

So, the answer to your question is: They're making it themselves, or buying Soviet surplus on the black market, which is exactly what the CIA reports would tell anyone who bothers to read them.

Why would you jump to Iran's proxy war on not a lot of evidence, and not discuss the US' proxy war. Should we look at Israel's weapons and where they came from?

[ricardisimo]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

I don't understand how anyone can be pro Palestine. They've launched 12 000 rockets over the last 12 years at Israel. Suddenly, Palestine is bitching and complaining that Israel eventually had enough of their bullshit and fought back. Now, they're begging for a cease fire because Israel brought out their 'big guns'.

Palestine brought this on themselves. Now, you see signs like "Finish what Hitler started" and "A world without Israel = Peace". Ignoring the sheer ridiculousness and ignorance of praising Hitler in the middle east, Hamas' 'slogan' is "No recognition. No negotiations. No peace.". They're using women and children as human shields on the frontlines and you want us to feel sorry for them? Sorry, they're the definition of scum.

There is an argument to be made if Israel is being too aggressive, but I don't blame them. They have to put up with all this bullshit being apart of the middle east, but they're the only civilized country that respects human rights. I mean, people are supporting a country where it's legal to stone a woman to death after being raped and charged for adultery and hanging homosexuals for being homosexual.

Sorry, my sympathy for those in Palestine has run out. This better be the final straw to all countries in the region to stop fucking around with Israel and maybe we can start to build peace over there. But I doubt it.

I'm pro-peace. I'm not pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli. And I wouldn't start waving numbers around when discussing this particular conflict if I were you. Every meaningful statistic... hell, every statistic meaningful or not - points to Israeli aggression, over-reaction, atrocity and war crimes. Mom suggested a few, but there are lots of others, easily obtainable from US or Israeli sources. You don't need to believe Swedish tree-huggers.

[Killer]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

I don't understand how anyone can be pro Palestine..

Israel made the biggest mistake ever by unilaterally giving up Gaza thinking they would have peace. You can't make peace with feral dogs.

Without "Palestinians", Gaza could become a beach-front tourist destination with hotels and golf courses.

Kick them all out and send them back to Jordan and Syria and Egypt where they came from. Nothing but a bunch of terrorists that live to kill Jews anyway.

[Killer]

Originally Posted by ricardisimo

Go Jews? Not sure what that has to do with anything

I'm rooting for my girls




Hamas' objectives have always been straightforward. Its commanders and suicide bombers know what they are fighting for.

"Our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave," the Hamas charter says. "Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims."

why do you hate the Jews?

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Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
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[Killer]

self-hating Jews are nothing new



hey, that rhymed

[ricardisimo]

Originally Posted by Killer

Israel made the biggest mistake ever by unilaterally giving up Gaza thinking they would have peace. You can't make peace with feral dogs.

Without "Palestinians", Gaza could become a beach-front tourist destination with hotels and golf courses.

Kick them all out and send them back to Jordan and Syria and Egypt where they came from. Nothing but a bunch of terrorists that live to kill Jews anyway.

Where does one even begin?

[MACH1]

Originally Posted by ricardisimo

Well, let's look at that:

• The Qassam rocket (Arabic: صاروخ القسام‎ Ṣārūkh al-Qassām; also Kassam) is a simple steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military arm of Hamas. Three models have been produced and used, with the first introduced in 2001.
• The al-Quds 101 Rocket is a homemade rocket made and used by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad for use in attacks against Israel.
• Katyusha multiple rocket launchers (Russian: Катю́ша; IPA: [kɐˈtʲʉʂə] ( listen)) are a type of rocket artillery first built and fielded by the Soviet Union in World War II.
• The BM-21 launch vehicle (Russian: БМ-21 "Град"), a Soviet truck-mounted 122 mm multiple rocket launcher,[1] and a M-21OF rocket[2] were developed in the early 1960s.

So, the answer to your question is: They're making it themselves, or buying Soviet surplus on the black market, which is exactly what the CIA reports would tell anyone who bothers to read them.

Why would you jump to Iran's proxy war on not a lot of evidence, and not discuss the US' proxy war. Should we look at Israel's weapons and where they came from?

Not quite.

TEL AVIV — When Israel assassinated the top Hamas military commander in Gaza on Wednesday, setting off the current round of fierce fighting, it was aiming not just at a Palestinian leader but at a supply line of rockets from Iran that have for the first time given Hamas the ability to strike as far as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

The commander, Ahmed al-Jabari, had shifted Hamas’s low-grade militia into a disciplined force with sophisticated weapons like Fajr-5 rockets, which are named after the Persian word for dawn and have significantly increased the danger to Israel’s major cities. They have a range of about 45 miles and are fired by trained crews from underground launching pads.

Hamas had perhaps 100 of them until the Israeli attacks last week, which appear to have destroyed most of the stockpile. The rockets are assembled locally after being shipped from Iran to Sudan, trucked across the desert through Egypt, broken down into parts and moved through Sinai tunnels into Gaza

The smuggling route involves salaried employees from Hamas along the way, Iranian technical experts traveling on forged passports and government approval in Sudan, Israeli officials said.

“Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad are building weapons with experts from Iran,” one top security official said Saturday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/wo...ter-hamas.html