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Old 11-24-2012, 04:34 PM   #41
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Mufti: Muslims' destiny is to kill Jews

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Old 11-24-2012, 08:15 PM   #42
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First, of all, I don't speak or understand Arabic, so who knows what the dude is saying. Secondly, you posted a subtitled video. Really? Yeah, I'm sure the translation is absolutely perfect. Here's some more subtitles for you:





Thirdly, the question remains: how does that sort of rhetoric help anyone? That includes this speaker in the video as well as you.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:20 PM   #43
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This from yet another who clearly wants to kill all the Jews:

Gaza 2012: On the Use and Abuse of Hatred and Violence
Why Israel Desires to be Hated by Palestinians

by OREN BEN-DOR
Yet another massacre is unfolding in Gaza, the largest prison in the world. We are surrounded by familiar chatter: ‘Israel’s right to defend itself’; ‘Palestinians’ legitimate resistance to (the 1967) occupation’; ‘who started it this time?’ Most insidious, however, is the stale refrain, sung by a chorus which includes President Obama, that the violence is disastrous for the ‘peace process’ aimed at a ‘two-state solution’.

While it has been noted that one motivation for the Israeli government, in the run-up to elections in January, is to unite voters behind a ‘no choice’ rhetoric, there is a deeper motivation at stake here – to restrict the horizons of political debate, to control what should be regarded as a litmus test for ‘realistic’, ‘moderate’ and ‘reasonable’ voices.

War is useful because the passion it arouses prevents people from asking two basic questions that must be addressed if the core of silencing and violence that we are witnessing is to be grasped and, in turn, if progress is ever to be made towards justice and enduring peace. First, what kind of state is Israel? Second, who are the Palestinians that this state is in conflict with?

Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character. Passing a test of Jewishness entitles someone to Israeli citizenship regardless of where in the world she lives. Furthermore, her citizenship comes with a bundle of political, social and economic rights which are preferential to that of citizens who do not qualify as Jewish. This inbuilt discriminatory premise highlights the apartheid nature of the state. But apartheid is not an accidental feature of Israel. Its very creation involved immense injustice and suffering. Shielding and rationalizing this inbuilt premise prevents the address of past injustices and ensures their continuity into the future. It is a premise that, in matters of constitutional interpretation, takes precedence over, and thus involves the imposition of ‘reasonable’ limitations on, equality of citizenship.

The Palestinians, we are told, are a people who live in the West Bank and Gaza. The impression forced on us is that the conflict concerns a compromise to be made the correct border between Israel and a Palestinian state. We are led to believe that a partition into two-states would satisfy both genuine and realistic aspirations for justice and peace. In this view, the violence in Gaza is just an unreasonable aberration from an otherwise noble peace process.

But Palestinians actually comprise three groups. First, those whose families originate in the territories that were occupied by Israel in 1967 (Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem). Second, the descendants of the approximately 750,000 non-Jews who were ethnically cleansed in 1947-9 in order to ensure a Jewish majority in the new Jewish state. This group is dispersed around the world, mostly in refugee camps in the territories occupied in 1967 and the neighbouring states. Israel has persistently denied them their internationally recognized legal right to return. The majority in Gaza consists of refugees from villages which are now buried under Israeli towns and cities that were created explicitly for Jewish citizens, places which include Ashkelon and Tel Aviv that were hit by rockets in the current conflict. The third group of Palestinians, which Israel insists on calling by the euphemism ‘Israeli Arabs’, are the non-Jews who managed to evade ethnic cleansing in 1947-49 and who now live as second-class citizens of Israel, the state which likes to claim that it is ‘Jewish and democratic’.

Until 1948, the territory of Palestine stretched from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. The violence that has afflicted the area ever since is the direct result of an event whose true nature our society seems determined to deny. Violence keeps erupting because of the silencing and marginalization of a simple truth surrounding any partition policy: that the injustice that afflicts Palestine can not be partitioned. It is because of the desire to preserve a Jewish state that first, the legal dualism that exists in the 1967 Occupied Territories as well as the horror at the ‘Separation Wall’ have become the dominant political discourses of apartheid, second, that the refugees are remained dispossessed and, thirdly, that both actual and potential non-Jew Arab citizens do, and would, suffer discrimination. The two-state vision means that the inbuilt apartheid within Israel, and in turn the injustice to two groups of Palestinians, does never become the central political problem.

The range of reactions to the current carnage shows just how successful violence has been in sustaining the legitimacy of Israel by entrenching the political focus merely on its actions rather than on its nature. These reactions keep the discourse that calls for criticizing Israel rather than for replacing it with an egalitarian polity over the whole of historical Palestine.

Israel desires to be hated by Palestinians. By provoking violence Israel has not merely managed to divert the limelight from its apartheid nature. It has also managed to convince that, as Joseph Massad of Columbia University once captured, it has the right to occupy, to dispossess and to discriminate, namely the claim that the apartheid premise which founds it should be put up with and rationalized as reasonable. Would anybody allow such a right-claim to hold sway in apartheid South Africa? How come that the anti-apartheid and egalitarian calls for the non-recognition of Israel right to exist are being marginalized as extreme and unrealizable? What kind of existential fetters cause the world to exhibit such blindness and a drop of compassion? Is there no unfolding tragedy that anticipates violence against Jews precisely because past violence against them in Europe is being allowed to serve as a rationalizing device of an apartheid state?

Israel has already created a de facto single state between the river and the sea, albeit one which suffers from several apartheid systems, one within Israel and another in the occupied territories. We must not let Israeli aggression prevent us from treating as moderate and realistic proposals to turn this single state into one where all would have equal rights.

Oren Ben-Dor grew up in the State of Israel. He is a Professor of Law and Philosophy in the Law School, University of Southampton, UK. He can be reached at: okbendor@yahoo.com.
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:31 AM   #44
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jibber jabber


Like I said, a "ceasefire" is just more time to reload for the jihadists


'Satellites show Iran moving quickly to rearm Hamas'



Israeli intelligence satellites have spied the loading of rockets and other materiel believed to be destined for the Gaza Strip, The Sunday Times reported citing Israeli officials.

According to the report, Iran began preparing the weapons shipment around the same time Israel and Hamas negotiated cease-fire understandings late last week.

The shipment is said to include Iranian-made Fajr-5 medium-range rockets, the same model that was fired into the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem areas during Operation Pillar of Defense

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What planet are you on? If you are going to talk about weapons, weaponry, number of missiles, sophistication of tech, etc., etc., blahblahblah, Palestine pales in comparison to Israel. Who's reloading? The only difference is that we reload Israel for them. Even if we assume that the Palestinians are being armed by the mighty Iranian armed forces, which is at best an inflated argument, it's slingshots vs. nuclear weapons.

Your blatant racism or ethnicism or whatever you want to call it is blinding you to two facts:
  1. Israel is imposing an unjust apartheid system that will never be accepted by Palestinians nor the rest of the world;
  2. Israel is a military and economic juggernaut in the region with a sociopathic willingness to flex its bloody power.
We support Israel for all sorts of reasons, but don't fool yourself that any of them are humanitarian or benevolent.
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Israel is now South Africa? hahahaha

Send all the Pali's packing back to Jordan - their home country....oh right, they don't want them either, in fact none of their Arab brothers want Hamas and their jihad suicide bombers in their midst

You'd think with all them missles flying through the air at least one couldn't "accidently" fall on that abomination on the Temple Mount.



Blow up the Dome of the Rock and build the 3rd Jewish Temple there and let's get this Armageddon thing going.
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So, just to be clear, you have no interest in peace in the Middle East, let alone any justice or democracy. You're just another religious kook who hates life and wants to end it all?
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:49 PM   #48
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Israel is gonna win in the end... I'll put money on it .....; )
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Israel is gonna win in the end... I'll put money on it .....; )
Mr. Olmert would seem to disagree. And for good reason.
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So, just to be clear, you have no interest in peace in the Middle East, let alone any justice or democracy. You're just another religious kook who hates life and wants to end it all?
I pledge allegiance to any god that lets me win the lottery, yea verily.

Jews, Christians and Muslims are all the same to me. Same book of characters from the same land, same god, same 2000 years of Holy Wars.

I say it's time to bring back the olde gods and start throwing virgins into volcanos, now that's entertainment..
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