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Old 11-26-2012, 04:45 PM   #21
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Yes. The marker you can see on the far side of the field is the unofficial marker. The yellow line is just the TV production crew taking their best guess, and means nothing. If you watched the game, the official marker was obscured by people on the near sideline.
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Refs spotted it live. Then they reviewed it and re-spotted it. Then they measured. And it was a first down. Get over it. Regardless of what you "think" or "know" or "think you know" the ruling in the game by the people who make the call was it was a first down. Case closed.

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Great - you beat the Chargers after beating the Steelers playing without a QB - made your reservations for New Orleans?

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Old 11-26-2012, 09:50 PM   #23
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Yes. The marker you can see on the far side of the field is the unofficial marker. The yellow line is just the TV production crew taking their best guess, and means nothing. If you watched the game, the official marker was obscured by people on the near sideline.
OK. So where do you think the ball should have been spotted and then respotted after the review. It was originally spotted right on the 33. Then respotted back a little more than 1/2 yard as the entire football was inside the 34.

I don't give a shit where the marker is, Rice didn't even make it to the 34 and he needed to for a first.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:00 PM   #24
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OK. So where do you think the ball should have been spotted and then respotted after the review. It was originally spotted right on the 33. Then respotted back a little more than 1/2 yard as the entire football was inside the 34.

I don't give a shit where the marker is, Rice didn't even make it to the 34 and he needed to for a first.
I don't know exactly where the ball should have been spotted, and I don't know exactly where the official first down marker was either. And if you really wanted to step aside from your biases and give it an honest look, you'd realize that you don't know either.

What I do know is that there is at least a half a yard, probably more difference between the unofficial yellow line the TV production crews provide and the unofficial orange yard marker you can see on the far side of the field. Even if you accept the unofficial yard marker as the official first down, it is hardly clear that Rice didn't make the first down. IN THE IMAGE I POSTED, THE UNOFFICIAL ORANGE MARKER ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE FIELD IS CLOSER TO THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE THAN THE 34 YARD LINE. You are talking what, 30 inches from the 35 yard line? And we are going from Rice's knee until the nose of the ball, how far is that exactly? Yeah. You know for sure, right?

All I am saying is man that was close. I don't know that he got it. What I do know is that - no matter how hard you protest and how much it may hurt your feelings - you don't know that he didn't get it. Got it?

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Old 11-26-2012, 10:21 PM   #25
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I don't know exactly where the ball should have been spotted, and I don't know exactly where the official first down marker was either. And if you really wanted to step aside from your biases and give it an honest look, you'd realize that you don't know either.

What I do know is that there is at least a half a yard, probably more difference between the unofficial yellow line the TV production crews provide and the unofficial yard marker you can see on the far side of the field. Even if you accept the unofficial yard marker as the official first down, it is hardly clear that Rice didn't make the first down. You are talking what, 30 inches from the 35 yard line? And we are going from Rice's knee until the nose of the ball, how far is that exactly? Yeah. You know for sure, right?

All I am saying is man that was close. I don't know that he got it. What I do know is that - no matter how hard you protest and how much it may hurt your feelings - you don't know that he didn't get it. Got it?
What I do know is that 1 yard = 3 feet and his knee was down before the 35. The final spot was a foot inside the 34. That's 4 feet in front of where his knee was down. I don't see anywhere near 4 ft of extension. Even if he laid out flat before his knee hit. Dude is 5'7 with ball tucked to his chest. It's not possible they spotted it correctly. If you put your bias aside you'd see it a little more clearly.
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What I do know is that 1 yard = 3 feet and his knee was down before the 35. The final spot was a foot inside the 34. That's 4 feet in front of where his knee was down. I don't see anywhere near 4 ft of extension. Even if he laid out flat before his knee hit. Dude is 5'7 with ball tucked to his chest. It's not possible they spotted it correctly. If you put your bias aside you'd see it a little more clearly.
First - neither of us knows where the near side official orange marker is. So we are not going to settle this even if we agree on the math.

Second, I am not saying the exact spot was correct - I am saying that it is plausible (not not certain, not necessarily even likely - plausible) that he got the first down.

Do we at least agree that the unofficial marker on the far side of the field is closer to the line of scrimmage than the 34 yard line? If so, and we assume that's the official marker for the sake of discussion ...

Do we also agree that only the tip of the ball needs to get to to the official yard marker?

Now say Rice's knee is 3 inches closer to the line of scrimmage than the 35. And the marker is 6 inches closer to the line of scrimmage than the 34. That's 33 inches, right?

From Rice's knee to the tip of the ball couldn't possibly be 33 inches?
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First - neither of us knows where the near side official orange marker is. So we are not going to settle this even if we agree on the math.

Second, I am not saying the exact spot was correct - I am saying that it is plausible (not not certain, not necessarily even likely - plausible) that he got the first down.

Do we at least agree that the unofficial marker on the far side of the field is closer to the line of scrimmage than the 34 yard line? If so, and we assume that's the official marker for the sake of discussion ...

Do we also agree that only the tip of the ball needs to get to to the official yard marker?

Now say Rice's knee is 3 inches closer to the line of scrimmage than the 35. And the marker is 6 inches closer to the line of scrimmage than the 34. That's 33 inches, right?

From Rice's knee to the tip of the ball couldn't possibly be 33 inches?
33 inches is feasable (even though I think he needed a little more than that) if he was laid out when the knee was down, but the original TV replays clearly showed he didn't sprawl out until after the knee hit. Hip or thigh to chest, not even close. You won't convince me and I won't convince you, so leave it at that.
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33 inches is feasable (even though I think he needed a little more than that) if he was laid out when the knee was down, but the original TV replays clearly showed he didn't sprawl out until after the knee hit. Hip or thigh to chest, not even close. You won't convince me and I won't convince you, so leave it at that.
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Good video.
Alright, I concede there's a chance. However slim it might be.

I wish you lots of luck Sunday. All bad of course.
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Good video.
Alright, I concede there's a chance. However slim it might be.

I wish you lots of luck Sunday. All bad of course.
Alright then. Sounds like we're on pretty good terms, so I'll concede there's a chance you'll win on Sunday
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