Tomlin's another Dave Wannstedt

[steelersfan77]

I was at the bar for the game and the whole place knew we needed the ball back. Everyone applauded the fact we were getting the ball back with a little under 3 minutes as opposed to letting the browns run the clock to the two minute warning, then punt.

Then came the moment we needed a timeout to challenge the sure fire can't miss not even disputable Richardson fumble and the whole place turned on Tomlin. Fair weather fan base.

[Fire Arians]

i can't complain too much about his 2 super bowl appearances, but at the same time, this guy enrages me how he never has the team ready to play against lowly competition. I'm actually more nervous about playing 'bad' teams than I've ever been as a Steeler fan.

With Tomlin as HC, I never seen any Steeler team fall in trap games more frequently, I don't remember the last time I said "oh yeah we're playing [crappy team], that's an automatic win". Instead I'm saying "uh oh trap game, 50-50 chance we lose"

[steelersfan77]

I don't know falling into trap games if you're referring to the browns game but I myself had no confidence we'd win that game with batch at quarterback. Especially against a young, fast defense.

[Fire Arians]

Originally Posted by steelersfan77

I don't know falling into trap games if you're referring to the browns game but I myself had no confidence we'd win that game with batch at quarterback. Especially against a young, fast defense.

I'm talking about the team seeming to be not mentally prepared to play against lesser teams. Take away 8 turnovers and likely this game was a win, all we needed batch to do in ben's relief was to not lose the game. he didn't do that. Whenever you have this many turnovers, that's just undisciplined football, period, and that's on the coaching.

Could also add the Titans and Raiders game, or the squeaker against KC. Or the 'unleash hell' season where we were supposedly going to run wild on the NFL because we had an 'easy' schedule. I'm less worried when going up against the good teams because it seems like they are good at rising to the challenge in those instances. however, whenever we seem to be large favorites, I'm bracing for a major letdown or loss.

[zcoop]

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

I'm talking about the team seeming to be not mentally prepared to play against lesser teams. Take away 8 turnovers and likely this game was a win, all we needed batch to do in ben's relief was to not lose the game. he didn't do that. Whenever you have this many turnovers, that's just undisciplined football, period, and that's on the coaching.

Could also add the Titans and Raiders game, or the squeaker against KC. Or the 'unleash hell' season where we were supposedly going to run wild on the NFL because we had an 'easy' schedule. I'm less worried when going up against the good teams because it seems like they are good at rising to the challenge in those instances. however, whenever we seem to be large favorites, I'm bracing for a major letdown or loss.

One major reason why we have lost this year is a brand new offense that doesn't produce many points. To date, we play more of a TOP, (keep the ball away from the other team), game and its tough in today's game. Most of the teams with winning records score a lot of points and can do it quickly.

Not making any excuses, but we are also in an adjustment year, that resembles a MASH unit.

[tarasovic2]

hell...If Ben was healthy Tomlin would still be the man. I, for one, like the way he keeps his composure. For example, look what idiot those Jets fans have to deal with.

[jiminpa]

Originally Posted by Killer

He does have a high standard for incompetence


Here is the revised order of Mike Tomlin's five worst regular-season losses (today's loss replaced '07 Jets debacle):

5. "Batch of Turnovers" Nov. 25, 2012, 20-14 at Browns -- Steelers commit eight (8) turnovers, including three interceptions from third-string QB Charlie Batch and one lost fumble from each of their top four running backs in a historically hideous performance that shall live in infamy. Browns improve to 3-8.

4. "Abomination by the Bay" Sept. 23, 2012, 34-31 at Oakland -- Steelers fumble away a 10-point fourth-quarter lead against a battered and brutally bad Raiders team that was coming off a blowout loss to Miami (and would be destroyed by Denver in its next game). Steelers manage all of one (1) sack on Carson Palmer's 34 attempts. Defense so embarrassingly bad that Tomlin justified in going for it deep in own territory in tie game.

3. "Music City Monstrosity" Oct. 11, 2012, 26-23, at Tennessee -- Pitted against a defense on pace to give up the most points in NFL history, the Steelers score early on an 82-yard pass to Mike Wallace and never attempt another deep ball. Ziggy Hood registers zero (0) tackles (and zero assists). Ike Taylor gives up eight receptions and commits three penalties. Tennessee, led by 72-year-old backup QB Matt Hasselbeck, hadn't scored on a drive of 80 yards or more all season, but, sure enough, launches an 11-play, 80-yard TD march in 4th. Steelers defense so utterly disorganized that it accidentally rushes only two (2) players on a 3rd-and-10 on Titans' winning field-goal drive.

2. "Bruce Almighty" Dec. 6, 2009, 27-24 vs. Oakland -- Two words: Bruce. Gradkowski. He throws for 308 yards and three touchdowns -- ALL IN THE FOURTH QUARTER -- against a hapless and Troy-less Steelers secondary. The loss is the second of three historically humiliating defeats that will complete Tomlin's "Unleash Hell" trilogy, topped only by ...

1. "Bruce Not Mighty" Dec. 10, 2009, at Cleveland -- Bruce Arians figures it's a swell idea to try 32 passes in a wind storm against a 2-11 team. Steelers go open backfield on third-and-1. Ben is sacked eight (8) times. Brady Quinn goes 6 for 19 for 90 yards yet leaves the field a winner. All of Cleveland rejoices, for this is the closest they will get to a Super Bowl. Until Nov. 25, 2012, of course.

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You could be a professional satirist. That was as funny as it was sad.

[jiminpa]

Having posted some major criticism of Tomlin, and reading the now closed "trade bait" thread I want to balance all of that out. I'm not impressed with Tomlin, and I have doubted his abilities as a head coach since his first offseason when he kept Arians, but I don't for a minute think he's going anywhere soon. If the Rooney's have to step in again, that may change, but it still won't be soon. He has been the HC of a Superbowl win and an appearance, but Charlie Batch was on the same sideline as Tomlin as a QB in both of those games and one more, it doesn't make him great. I don't see Tomlin having the ability to create a win, but if he has the right people around him he will let them create wins, and that can be a huge strength, except that he seems to be weak at recognizing who those people should be. LeBeau was pushed on him, and so was Haley, who has shown flashes of greatness as well as some major Arians moments. But I am a Steelers homer to the bitter end, and I hope Tomlin proves me very wrong.

[Killer]

Originally Posted by jiminpa

You could be a professional satirist. That was as funny as it was sad.

I'm more a copy&paste thief....but when I steal something I provide the link...unlike 90% of the heathens around here

[ricardisimo]

I'm more a copy&paste thief....but when I steal something I provide the link...unlike 90% of the heathens around here

http://forums.steelersfever.com/show...1&postcount=59