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Old 11-27-2012, 08:38 AM   #41
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:57 AM   #42
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Harrison missed several games and is just now rounding into form. Woodley's missed a couple. Troy has missed all but one. Hampton took time to round into form after season ending knee surgery last year.

On offense, Ben has missed 2.5 games, Brown 3.5, DD all games, Pouncey one, Gilbert several, Adams and Colon just went down, all of the backs have been hurt at one time or another.

Philly is going through similar injury problems, and they just dropped their 7th straight to fall to 3-8. I can't think of many teams who would be much better than that given the same injuries the Steelers have suffered.

Tomlin's not perfect, but to date, he's helped this team weather the storm. Give him his star players and a playoff berth and see what happens.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:05 AM   #43
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Kubiak? Really? Would you please remind me of how many playoff wins he has?
i realize you take every opportunity to ride my jock

for me, every season is a failure if you don't win the super bowl - i don't judge by regular season success - if you pay any attention instead of looking for reasons to jump all over me - you'll see how much I criticize the Harbaughs and especially the one that likes to take mid season gatorade baths - i gave the Ravens fans on here plenty of crap leading up to last week's game

I put Kubiak on there because of the current improvement of the Texans over the last few seasons. He has really taken a mediocre QB in my opinion and coached him up. If you'd like - I'll give Phillips even more credit than Kubiak - without that D - they are an 7-9, 8-8 team. That organization has been able to do quite a bit in its short existence, and I think it has been better since replacing Dom Capers. The guy does have a nice resume, winning a few Super Bowls as an assistant coach with the 49ers and then O-coordinator with the Broncos. The guy isn't a slouch just because he hasn't won a Super Bowl.

Next time - why don't you actually contribute with your top 5 - I realize its a little harder to do that for you
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:06 AM   #44
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People think that regular season success translates into post season success.

Houston and San Francisco are going out in the second round, assuming they get their bye. Mediocre quarterbacks with terrible secondaries don't win playoff games, sorry.
whats your top 5 then smart guy? You and desertsteel seem to have a thing for calling out my responses (i get it - its easier to do that than put a logical opinion on here). I'd rather you just not respond to my posts at all if you cant carry on a debate or conversation without making assumptions about my posts. Actually think - are you capable of that?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:32 AM   #45
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[I posted this in one of the other twenty or so "Fire Tomlin" threads, but I never seem to get any answers. I'll try again, since you asked.]


I have a question for all of those who despise Tomlin.

Let's assume that Cowher is the better coach (I don't think he is better than Tomlin, but that is not the point of this post). Let's assume that Cowher is better... and go from there.

Cowher is better.
He is retired.
The Steelers need to hire someone... so, if it is not Tomlin, then with whom would you replace him?

Before you answer Nick Saban (or some other college coach), name the last college coach who was successful in the NFL. (My guess is that your answer will be Jimmy Johnson... who is an anomaly.) Sure, Jim Harbaugh has turned his team around, but he has ZERO championships. And, he is winning with "Singletary's guys"... right? So... who...??

If you want a coordinator... again I ask: Who???

The fact is, that even if Cowher was better, he is retired, and SOMEONE has to coach the Steelers.

Heck, you can have any coach in the NFL... who would you take over Tomlin: Belichick? Coughlin? But, even both of those are maybes, because just like Tomlin, neither of them won without an elite QB (number of SuperBowls for those coaches prior to Brady & Eli: ZERO).

Cowher was better. He is retired. And, so are Mel Blount & Rod Woodson.

Think about that analogy. Ike Taylor is no where near as good as Blount or Woodson... but, Ike has been pretty darn good. Who else would you have rather have had for the past nine seasons? Tillman... Asomugha... someone else?

In other words, maybe there are a few better coaches in the league, but then again, maybe there aren't.

More importantly, the past is the past... and has nothing to do with the present. Cowher was a better coach... so was Lombardi... and, so was Paul Brown. So, what exactly does that have to do with any current coach?
I agree with you 100%. For me, the bigger question is - who is best suited to coach the Steelers? Ok - Belicheat is a better tactician than every coach in the NFL - I'll give you that - he can squeeze more blood from a turnip than anyone I've seen. Without Brady - that team falls apart like the Colts did last season. However - is someone like him or Coughlin "Steelers" material - was Whiz or Grimm over Tomlin? Apparently not - and Whiz can't hold Tomlin's jock in terms of HC'ing
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Well, we can start with the most recent poll on NFL.COM that lists Tomlin as the coach players want to play for most out of the 32 head coaches in the NFL...

Players tend to want to work for a fair, successful, classy person who can win games. I'd say that is a good start. They didn't vote for Belicheck....
that makes him a players favorite
if i was a player i probably would like to play for a coach that doesnt yell when i screw up, doesnt care if i put forth any effort, dont hold me accountable, have easy camps and practices and doesnt push me to be my best
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I agree with you 100%. For me, the bigger question is - who is best suited to coach the Steelers? Ok - Belicheat is a better tactician than every coach in the NFL - I'll give you that - he can squeeze more blood from a turnip than anyone I've seen. Without Brady - that team falls apart like the Colts did last season. However - is someone like him or Coughlin "Steelers" material - was Whiz or Grimm over Tomlin? Apparently not - and Whiz can't hold Tomlin's jock in terms of HC'ing
whiz would have as much or more success than tomlin if the 2 switched situations
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whiz would have as much or more success than tomlin if the 2 switched situations
and if Ben wasn't injured we'd be 8-3, guaranteed? Right?
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:08 AM   #49
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Harrison missed several games and is just now rounding into form. Woodley's missed a couple. Troy has missed all but one. Hampton took time to round into form after season ending knee surgery last year.

On offense, Ben has missed 2.5 games, Brown 3.5, DD all games, Pouncey one, Gilbert several, Adams and Colon just went down, all of the backs have been hurt at one time or another.

Philly is going through similar injury problems, and they just dropped their 7th straight to fall to 3-8. I can't think of many teams who would be much better than that given the same injuries the Steelers have suffered.

Tomlin's not perfect, but to date, he's helped this team weather the storm. Give him his star players and a playoff berth and see what happens.
exactly!

refreshing to see a realistic take amidst all the panic and knee jerk blame. injuries DO matter and actually impact the game, despite "the standard being the standard".
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that makes him a players favorite
if i was a player i probably would like to play for a coach that doesnt yell when i screw up, doesnt care if i put forth any effort, dont hold me accountable, have easy camps and practices and doesnt push me to be my best
...doesn't demand that I use capitals, punctuation, grammar, and/or logic...
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