Mock with Wallace 3rd round Comp. Pick

[SteelersCanada]

Originally Posted by cbrunn

Tavon Austin is Brown and Sanders 2.0 extra small and quick ... Justin Hunter is a tall receiver, fast, jump out the gym type receiver ...

and SteelersCanada ... while I agree ... but all the Defensive position are super deep in this draft ... and WR aren't a dime a dozen ... Justin Hunter has AJ Green type receiver written all over him...

like Brown and Sanders are good receivers but they're not on that level of the Top Tier ... they're slot receivers ...

How can you possibly make that assumption? They haven't even been given the chance to blow the top off because we have Wallace doing that for us. I'm also under the assumption that Wallace is coming back until either he's a) gone or b) we've been told differently. If we're sitting on the clock and someone like Mosley or Jordan is on the board and we take a WR to replace Wallace, I'm going to be pissed.

Also, yes, WR's are a dime a dozen. Great ones aren't, but one doesn't need to be polished to come into this offense and be great. Take one in the mid rounds if Wallace does go, but we have much more pressing needs than WR. OLB and Safety need to be addressed - and CB is Keenan decides to leave.

[cbrunn]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

How can you possibly make that assumption? They haven't even been given the chance to blow the top off because we have Wallace doing that for us. I'm also under the assumption that Wallace is coming back until either he's a) gone or b) we've been told differently. If we're sitting on the clock and someone like Mosley or Jordan is on the board and we take a WR to replace Wallace, I'm going to be pissed.

Also, yes, WR's are a dime a dozen. Great ones aren't, but one doesn't need to be polished to come into this offense and be great. Take one in the mid rounds if Wallace does go, but we have much more pressing needs than WR. OLB and Safety need to be addressed - and CB is Keenan decides to leave.

Of course you can always find any player in the middle of the rounds that are good... but less likely ... you can find players anywhere... look at Harrison and Clark were both UFA

the point of being a deep deep defensive draft class is that you can get somebody in the 2nd or 3rd in the same class as the late first rounders

if you look at somebody like Gerald Hodges in the 3rd ... he's a beast ... better in coverage then Mosley or Jordan ... and Hodges is a tackling machine ... and he's also a good blitzer ... and played for a very good defense in Penn State also nicknames LB U

Also if you talking the 6-6 Dion Jordan from Oregon ... that's not the Steelers style ... they don't draft the Tall guys, he's way to tall to play OLB in their Scheme, at least from past players ... i don't remember anybody being that tall

Just like Phillip Thomas in the 4th ... he's just as good as those 1st-2nd round safeties

Hunter is 6'4 runs a 4.4 and can jump out the gym ...

I also agree there are more pressing needs... but just the deepness of the draft at them other positions, makes it easier to take somebody else

I also think Wallace will be back ... this was just for fun and discussion

oh yeah and Lewis will be back too, no ifs and or buts ... unless he follows Wallace somewhere as they grew up together

[SteelersCanada]

Originally Posted by cbrunn

Of course you can always find any player in the middle of the rounds that are good... but less likely ... you can find players anywhere... look at Harrison and Clark were both UFA

the point of being a deep deep defensive draft class is that you can get somebody in the 2nd or 3rd in the same class as the late first rounders

if you look at somebody like Gerald Hodges in the 3rd ... he's a beast ... better in coverage then Mosley or Jordan ... and Hodges is a tackling machine ... and he's also a good blitzer ... and played for a very good defense in Penn State also nicknames LB U

Also if you talking the 6-6 Dion Jordan from Oregon ... that's not the Steelers style ... they don't draft the Tall guys, he's way to tall to play OLB in their Scheme, at least from past players ... i don't remember anybody being that tall

Just like Phillip Thomas in the 4th ... he's just as good as those 1st-2nd round safeties

Hunter is 6'4 runs a 4.4 and can jump out the gym ...

I also agree there are more pressing needs... but just the deepness of the draft at them other positions, makes it easier to take somebody else

I also think Wallace will be back ... this was just for fun and discussion

oh yeah and Lewis will be back too, no ifs and or buts ... unless he follows Wallace somewhere as they grew up together

It's not deep in speed rushers or great OLB, contrary to what you might believe. Comparing Hodges to to Mosley is a mistake. CJ Mosley has been consistently excellent every year he's been with Alabama. He commands double teams - even in college - because of his ability. The 'Bama defense is full of absolute monsters, but Mosley is top notch. I'm not going to go into specifics about his ability, but comparing those two is a mistake. If Mosley is on the board when we're picking, it's an absolute must pick - assuming Jordan isn't there. Speaking of Jordan ...

The Steelers aren't going to pass on a player because he's too tall. That's ridiculous. They don't specifically scout guys because of their height, it's the simple fact of the matter that smaller guys make better speed rushers on the outside because they can use their height to their advantage over bigger tackles. Jordan makes up for this "shortcoming" (I use that word reluctantly) by being insanely strong and amazingly quick off the ball. He's 6'7 243 and runs a 4.5. Comparing him to anyone else in the NFL is a mistake, honestly, because I haven't seen anyone with his skillset before in the NFL. Saying the Steelers are going to pass on him because of his height doesn't make any sense. He's stronger and faster than Aldon Smith was coming out of college, but the knock on him is lack of experience at OLB / DE. Give him a year with LeBeau and he's going to be a top 5 ROLB in the NFL.

There's a reason why some guys are first round picks, and others are mid round picks. Phillip Thomas is not as talented as Eric Reid - not even close. Watch an LSU game and tell me Thomas has the same instincts and ability that Reid has. On top of that, Reid plays in a stacked secondary and still has the ability to make plays and find the ball.

I can appreciate your positivity toward guys in the later rounds, but the first two rounds of this draft is chalk full of defensive talent. We can't afford to take an offensive player in the first two rounds with all of the needs we have. Grabbing Jordan / Mosley in the first and someone like Johnson in the second makes an immediate impact and an infusion of youth into this defense.

[cbrunn]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

It's not deep in speed rushers or great OLB, contrary to what you might believe. Comparing Hodges to to Mosley is a mistake. CJ Mosley has been consistently excellent every year he's been with Alabama. He commands double teams - even in college - because of his ability. The 'Bama defense is full of absolute monsters, but Mosley is top notch. I'm not going to go into specifics about his ability, but comparing those two is a mistake. If Mosley is on the board when we're picking, it's an absolute must pick - assuming Jordan isn't there. Speaking of Jordan ...

The Steelers aren't going to pass on a player because he's too tall. That's ridiculous. They don't specifically scout guys because of their height, it's the simple fact of the matter that smaller guys make better speed rushers on the outside because they can use their height to their advantage over bigger tackles. Jordan makes up for this "shortcoming" (I use that word reluctantly) by being insanely strong and amazingly quick off the ball. He's 6'7 243 and runs a 4.5. Comparing him to anyone else in the NFL is a mistake, honestly, because I haven't seen anyone with his skillset before in the NFL. Saying the Steelers are going to pass on him because of his height doesn't make any sense. He's stronger and faster than Aldon Smith was coming out of college, but the knock on him is lack of experience at OLB / DE. Give him a year with LeBeau and he's going to be a top 5 ROLB in the NFL.

There's a reason why some guys are first round picks, and others are mid round picks. Phillip Thomas is not as talented as Eric Reid - not even close. Watch an LSU game and tell me Thomas has the same instincts and ability that Reid has. On top of that, Reid plays in a stacked secondary and still has the ability to make plays and find the ball.

I can appreciate your positivity toward guys in the later rounds, but the first two rounds of this draft is chalk full of defensive talent. We can't afford to take an offensive player in the first two rounds with all of the needs we have. Grabbing Jordan / Mosley in the first and someone like Johnson in the second makes an immediate impact and an infusion of youth into this defense.

I like Hodges more then Mosley in any round of the draft ... just my preference I guess

Don't know much about Dion Jordan haven't watched any Oregon games... but i've heard he is a freak of nature ...

And yes I think Phillip Thomas has just as good as instincts as Eric Reid ... I like Rambo better then any safety in the draft though ...

I like Alec Ogletree better then any LB in the draft if he declairs ...

actually a first 3 pics dream of mine ... would be Alec Ogletree then Rambo then Hodges


But we both agree Defense is a need ... and only reason I drafted the WR and RB was because of the Wallace gone thing and extra pick, was just playing around ... I don't want to see any Offense player drafted really

[teegre]

Originally Posted by cbrunn

Tavon Austin is Brown and Sanders 2.0 extra small and quick ... Justin Hunter is a tall receiver, fast, jump out the gym type receiver ...

Oh, trust me. I know all about Tavon Austin. I've seen most of his games for the past two years. Thus, if a WR is taken at 32, I'd love Austin.

Hunter is great... but... well, simply, I have a man-crush on Austin.

As far as three slot WRs: I'd love to have THREE AB type of WRs on the team.

Pass it 3 yards... and watch them run it for another 15.

[SteelersCanada]

If only TJ Yeldon was draft eligible. Oh my god, is anyone else watching this SEC Championship game? Yeldon is going to be a very, very good running back in the NFL. Yeldon + Rainey as our 1 - 2 punch? That would be amazing.

[cbrunn]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

If only TJ Yeldon was draft eligible. Oh my god, is anyone else watching this SEC Championship game? Yeldon is going to be a very, very good running back in the NFL. Yeldon + Rainey as our 1 - 2 punch? That would be amazing.

Lacy or Yeldon ... both are beasts

[tburhans]

I was impressed with ogletree, rambo, sean williams as well as john jenkins from georgia. Mosley and millner stood out for alabama on defense and both bama running backs were beast. Lacy will be in the draft but not yeldon yet. And in other games colin klein just tore up texas and montee ball ran wild on nebraska

[cbrunn]

Originally Posted by tburhans

I was impressed with ogletree, rambo, sean williams as well as john jenkins from georgia. Mosley and millner stood out for alabama on defense and both bama running backs were beast. Lacy will be in the draft but not yeldon yet. And in other games colin klein just tore up texas and montee ball ran wild on nebraska

It's going to get interesting to see what underclassmen declare ...

see what Dwyer can do the rest of the year as the number 1 ... if he doesn't show much I wouldn't be to mad at Lacy being drafted

[teegre]

Originally Posted by tburhans

I was impressed with ogletree, rambo, sean williams as well as john jenkins from georgia. Mosley and millner stood out for alabama on defense and both bama running backs were beast. Lacy will be in the draft but not yeldon yet. And in other games colin klein just tore up texas and montee ball ran wild on nebraska

I've been thinking the following for a while:

32 - John Jenkins, NT
64 - Matt Elam, S

[Note: I do not see Elam dropping that far, any longer... but, I've had him tab 64 for nearly a year, and refuse to change it (until draft talks "truly" ramp up).