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Old 12-07-2012, 09:58 AM   #21
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Hockey, whats that? They won't wven play this season, msybe we should start promoting rugby!
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:41 AM   #22
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What hockey will you be watching? All you have this year is the NBA or minor league hockey. Guess it's time to catch up on your reading.
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Im just gonna start watching more college basketball if this shit keeps up, go 'Cuse!
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:16 PM   #24
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I really hate the idea to eliminate the onside kick and to give the team trailing the ball on their own 30 to try one play to get 15 yards. Why punish the team who has worked to build a lead the whole game and give the team that is losing one more chance? Maybe Goodell will give the team that is behind a 5th down in the 4th quarter to make it "more fair".
The part that gets me is the on-side kick.

Statistically, converting a 4th & 15 is something like less than 12%. No team would dare attempt it, because if one fails, then the other team would ALREADY be in FG range. Risk reward means that NO ONE would attempt the 4th & 15.

During the first 3 quarters of play (when teams are not expecting it), the on-side kick works about 50% of the time. This rule would essentially eliminate that altogether. 50% versus 12%... again, no one is taking those odds, especially when it puts the opposition in FG range.

Furthermore, at the end of games, the team that is behind would have NO shot at getting the ball back.

Think of it this way. You are down by 14 points. You score a TD, move within 7 points, and then you are forced to attempt a 4th & 15... which you will fail 88% of the time. Thus, the other team gets an easy field goal, and you are now once again down by 10 (two scores). At least with the on-side kick, if you fail to get the ball back (only a 15% conversion rate, in the fourth quarter), the other team still has to go 20 yards before they kick a FG.

That's the part that bothers me: no on-side kick.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:25 PM   #25
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The part that gets me is the on-side kick.

Statistically, converting a 4th & 15 is something like less than 12%. No team would dare attempt it, because if one fails, then the other team would ALREADY be in FG range. Risk reward means that NO ONE would attempt the 4th & 15.

During the first 3 quarters of play (when teams are not expecting it), the on-side kick works about 50% of the time. This rule would essentially eliminate that altogether. 50% versus 12%... again, no one is taking those odds, especially when it puts the opposition in FG range.

Furthermore, at the end of games, the team that is behind would have NO shot at getting the ball back.

Think of it this way. You are down by 14 points. You score a TD, move within 7 points, and then you are forced to attempt a 4th & 15... which you will fail 88% of the time. Thus, the other team gets an easy field goal, and you are now once again down by 10 (two scores). At least with the on-side kick, if you fail to get the ball back (only a 15% conversion rate, in the fourth quarter), the other team still has to go 20 yards before they kick a FG.

That's the part that bothers me: no on-side kick.
Not sure where you got your percentages, but on Mike and Mike the other morning they stated that a study by someone, forgot his name, that onside kicks had a 21% success (that included "surprise" kicks though), and 4th and 15 also had a 21% success. Thus, the Czar's plans.

What gets me is nobody seems to be discussing his plans to also abolish blocks below the waist which would basically end the running game, turn the NFL into the Arena League.
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These changes are absolutely ridiculous. There's zero chance these rules ever come into effect.
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These changes are absolutely ridiculous. There's zero chance these rules ever come into effect.
I hope you're right. I have a bad feeling though that within 10 years football will be a completely different sport.

I remember hearing that in the college level, money that would be going to the football programs are going to start going towards other sports (safer sports). If the money isn't their, athletes will train for something else, and eventually the skilled players won't be in the NFL, but some other sport.

Now it looks like not only will the best athletes not be in the NFL, but the rules are changing as well. I guess only time will tell.
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Not sure where you got your percentages, but on Mike and Mike the other morning they stated that a study by someone, forgot his name, that onside kicks had a 21% success (that included "surprise" kicks though), and 4th and 15 also had a 21% success. Thus, the Czar's plans.
I listen mostly to Colin Cowherd, but I was also listening to a SD station and an LA station (all three stations were talking about it).

The first three quarters had far less attempted on-side kicks, but they listed attempts in those quarters as being around 50% successful. There are far more late-game/fourth quarter attempts, and the percentage drops to 12%... so, if one were to average the entire game, it would likely be about 21%.

They talked about the stat for 4th & 15 being skewed because teams rarely attempt 4th & that long... except for desperate circumstances , and in those desperate times, the opposition is usually playing prevent, and thus, it becomes far more easily converted (than a normal 4th & 15). They said that if one takes out late-game, last-ditch 4th & longs, that the average conversion for "normal" 4th & 15s was about 12%.

But, I was driving/commuting... and avoiding a few multi-car pile-ups while doing so. So, my numbers might be slightly off (but, those are the numbers that I indeed recall hearing).

Also, I remember the two numbers being identical, which I found interesting (12% and 12%). BUT, it could have been a driving/distracted/dyslexic moment... meaning that it could have been 21% and 21%... (although, I remember it as 12%).
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It's like he's trying to be the worst commissioner the league has ever seen.
as-long-as fans keep shoving money down the pants of the League & it's owners, Ms. Goodell will continue to bastardize this game ~ decisions have consequences
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Default Re: King Goodell open to eliminating kickoffs

just went out to get the mail, and Goodell's on the cover of Time. The words on the cover read, "The Enforcer: How far will NFL comissioner Roger Goodell go to protect the game he loves?"
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