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Old 05-31-2006, 07:42 PM   #21
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Contrary to popular myth, Brady didn't just step onto the field and achieve Godhood immediately...there was a maturation process, and a learning curve. He was also a few years older than Ben when he took HIS first meaningful NFL snap.
brady also got to sit behind, and learn from a much better college qb than ben did.

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edit: that sounded like i was saying henson was a better college qb than ben

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Old 05-31-2006, 07:45 PM   #22
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Old 05-31-2006, 07:48 PM   #23
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Contrary to popular myth, Brady didn't just step onto the field and achieve Godhood immediately...there was a maturation process, and a learning curve. He was also a few years older than Ben when he took HIS first meaningful NFL snap.
Very true. Also no offense to Ken Whisenhunt. He is a very good coach. But Tom Brady had Charlie Weiss as his offensive cordinator. Now credit has to go to Brady. Coaching alone won't make you a great player. But Weiss is the best offensive mind in football today in my opinion. I hate Notre Dame but seeing what Brady Quinn did with only one year with Charlie proves to me what an impact coaching can have on a player.
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Old 05-31-2006, 08:31 PM   #24
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My only (and obvious) point is that great leaders at the QB position are NEVER made after 2 years...even when we talk of the sacred and holy Tom Brady...
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I think this guy has Big Ben confused with Kyle Boller or something???
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(From an article in another post in this forum)
"BR: I'm not trying to force the issue of taking over the leadership role. We've got (wide receiver) Hines (Ward). We've got (guard) Alan Faneca. Those are kind of our leaders on offense. I'm just going to accept the role they're giving me. Guys are kind of naturally putting me in the leadership role, being the quarterback. I'm just trying to make sure I can take charge of the offense, because I know a lot of guys are looking at me and counting on me to be able to make plays and not make mistakes. I want to be able to do that for them."

Sounds like a leader to me...
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Thats the perfect attitude to have. You cant make people listen to you. You prove it to them with your actions on and off the field. First you have to respect someone then they can become a leader. Ben already has the respect and whatever leadership role he takes on the team will be determined as time goes on but he's clearly on his way...
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Thats the perfect attitude to have. You cant make people listen to you. You prove it to them with your actions on and off the field. First you have to respect someone then they can become a leader. Ben already has the respect and whatever leadership role he takes on the team will be determined as time goes on but he's clearly on his way...
I agree.......respect is earned and Ben has definitely earned it. As time goes by he will be the leader he will have no choice, he will be put into situations where everyone will look to him because he is the QB. When its 4th and 3 with 23 seconds left in the game and everybody has left everything on the field and everyone is thinking they don't have anything left Big Ben will be the one to say " hey listen up I'm still here I got 2 plays left in my arm you guys dig deep and give me everything you got and I promise you we will win this Super Bowl and go home Champs once again". He has the maturity level beyond his years and he has his best years still in front of him. Even though we have leaders already on the team I say Big Ben needs to be the leader maybe not this year but within a few he does need to be THE ONE and will be THE ONE. Kind of like Joe Montana when the chips are down you just know that with him on the field everything will be ok and we will find a way to win. Exuding confidence that rubs off on everyone else is a big motivator and at Ben's young age and what he has accomplished already he is well on his way.
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Contrary to popular myth, Brady didn't just step onto the field and achieve Godhood immediately...there was a maturation process, and a learning curve. He was also a few years older than Ben when he took HIS first meaningful NFL snap.

agreed. thats why there was such a Brady vs Bledsoe debate in Boston

Game 1 44-13 over the Colts. Great
Game 2 10-3 (i think) loss at Miami. Horrible
Game 3 29-26 over the Chargers. Great
Game 4 great in win at Indy
Game 5 after a great half at Denver, 4 INTS in the 4th QTR. Horrible overall
Game 6 Very good in win at Atlanta
Game 7 so-so in win vs Buffalo
Game 8 mixed in loss vs the Rams

Bledsoe is ready to go. Brady has gone 5-3. Belichick goes with Brady.

Game 9 Great in win vs Saints
Game 10. lousy in 1st half, great in 2nd half in win at Jets
Game 11 average in win vs Browns
Game 12 HORRIBLE until he had to bring them back at the end at Buffalo.
Game 13 very good at home vs Miami
Game 14 very good at Carolina

so Brady wasnt exactly Marino in his first full season, overall he was very good with great flashes at the end of games (SD, NY Jets, Buffalo, then in playoffs against Raiders and Rams)

it was the flashes of brilliance in clutch situations that told you he COULD be another Montana. He wasnt Great until 2003.
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