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Old 12-11-2012, 09:27 AM   #91
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Default Re: Tomlin on why he didn't go for a 2pt-conversion

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I concur.

I loved Cowher, but if we are going to talk about inheriting a team...

Cowher inhereted Greg Lloyd, Barry Foster, Eric Green, Carnell Lake, Rod Woodson, Ernie Mills, Carlton Haselrig, Dermontti Dawson, John Jackson, Justin Strylzyck, Gary Jones, Jerrol Williams, Gerald Williams, Thomas Everett, Meril Hoge, Hardy Nickerson... and went to the AFCCG in 1994 and the SuperBowl with Noll's players.

Oddly enough those players shined under the coaching of Bill Cowher... so i'm thinking your point is lost.

IMO a great coach has as much to do with your drafted players success as your scouting dept. There's a reason why many players over the years have found success with new coaches or new teams.

I think your post only supports the opinion of many that Tomlin just isn't a very good coach. He's really struggled to develop pro bowl caliber players..... many of Tomlin's picks have shown flashes of brilliance...but none of them have really been consistently good.

Keisel said it him self... the team was not prepared for that game... they weren't even ready for the fake punt (that the charges have used before) That is a shot right across the bow of Mike Tomlin.... When a player says they weren't prepared - that's a player calling out his coaches. Lets hope they hear the message.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:31 AM   #92
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Keisel said it him self... the team was not prepared for that game... they weren't even ready for the fake punt (that the charges have used before) That is a shot right across the bow of Mike Tomlin.... When a player says they weren't prepared - that's a player calling out his coaches. Lets hope they hear the message.
Being that this is the fourth lost to a team the Steelers had no business losing to, I somehow doubt the message will get across. Otherwise, the Steelers would probably be 10-3 or maybe even 11-2.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:58 AM   #93
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Being that this is the fourth lost to a team the Steelers had no business losing to, I somehow doubt the message will get across. Otherwise, the Steelers would probably be 10-3 or maybe even 11-2.

Seriously........I would have thought just this past off-season with all the Tebow Legend telling, that that would piss them off to the point to where they wouldn't be overlooking anybody

But here they are doing it the whole season pretty much.....

In those 4 games, they looked like they didn't practice all week and slept in on Gameday only to be woken up 15 minutes before kickoff and thrown out onto the field dazed and confused.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:52 PM   #94
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Default Re: Tomlin on why he didn't go for a 2pt-conversion

Pretty good rant from Dejan Kovacevic about Tomlin's stupidity from his press conference earlier today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SeHw_1fnJsw
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:59 PM   #96
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Oddly enough those players shined under the coaching of Bill Cowher... so i'm thinking your point is lost.

IMO a great coach has as much to do with your drafted players success as your scouting dept. There's a reason why many players over the years have found success with new coaches or new teams.

I think your post only supports the opinion of many that Tomlin just isn't a very good coach. He's really struggled to develop pro bowl caliber players..... many of Tomlin's picks have shown flashes of brilliance...but none of them have really been consistently good.

Keisel said it him self... the team was not prepared for that game... they weren't even ready for the fake punt (that the charges have used before) That is a shot right across the bow of Mike Tomlin.... When a player says they weren't prepared - that's a player calling out his coaches. Lets hope they hear the message.
Here is the thing, some people do not want to acknowledge anything that Tomlin has done. Cowher & Tomlin can do the same thing(s), and while Cowher is considered a genius… Tomlin is considered to be a horrible coach.

For example…

FIRST FOUR YEARS
Cowher inhereited a bunch of players from Noll. They went to one SuperBowl, and lost it.

Tomlin inhereited a bunch of players from Cowher. They went to two SuperBowls, winning one & losing the other.

2 SuperBowls > 1 SuperBowl

1 Lombardi > 0 Lombardis

PLAYERS SHINING UNDER THEIR NEW COACH
You state that Cowher got the most out of those players from Noll.

The same can be said about Tomlin. James Harrison was rotting on the bench, until Tomlin inserted him into the starting line-up. Likewise, Troy & Harrison both won the DPOY award, something that neither did (nor ANY player did) under Cowher.

NOT PREPARED
You aver that these losses to bad teams are due to not being prepared.

I remember two of the worst losses in Steelers history were the 1994 AFCCG and the 2001 AFCCG. In 1994, the team made a SuperBowl video, prior to that game. Likewise, in 2001, the team booked their hotel rooms for the SuperBowl, before they actually played in that game, as well. Talk about not “preparing” your team in the proper manner.

COWHER NEVER HAD BIG BEN
…and Cowher never wanted Big Ben. Cowher wanted Shawn Andrews (OT). Maybe the reason that Cowher never had an elite QB, is because he passed on guys like Drew Brees… just as he tried to pass on Big Ben.

Heck, even after drafting BB, Cowher was going to sit BB on the bench until Tommy Maddox retired. Luckily, due to injury, BB was forced to play. Again, maybe Cowher never had an elite QB, because he did not want one (or didn't understand what an elite QB truly was).
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COWHER NEVER HAD BIG BEN
…and Cowher never wanted Big Ben. Cowher wanted Shawn Andrews (OT). Maybe the reason that Cowher never had an elite QB, is because he passed on guys like Drew Brees… just as he tried to pass on Big Ben.

Heck, even after drafting BB, Cowher was going to sit BB on the bench until Tommy Maddox retired. Luckily, due to injury, BB was forced to play. Again, maybe Cowher never had an elite QB, because he did not want one (or didn't understand what an elite QB truly was).
Yep. Cowher mismanaged the QB position, no question about it. The Kordell experiment should have ended in 1999. It continued for three years after that.
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Yep. Cowher mismanaged the QB position, no question about it. The Kordell experiment should have ended in 1999. It continued for three years after that.
If he kept O'Donnell he probably would have won another, or couple more.

say what you want about Neil, but he was a good quarterback, the best outside of the ben/bradshaw eras. Keeping neil also would have kept kordell in his 'slash' position, where he was the most dangerous
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If he kept O'Donnell he probably would have won another, or couple more.

say what you want about Neil, but he was a good quarterback, the best outside of the ben/bradshaw eras. Keeping neil also would have kept kordell in his 'slash' position, where he was the most dangerous
His 16-23 record as a starter after leaving Pittsburgh suggests otherwise. And saying he was the best QB outside of Bradshaw and Ben isn't really saying much either. He was a middling journeyman QB - nothing more, nothing less.
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Very accurate portrayal, Tomlin is the 'Peter Principle' personified.
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