Tomlin on why he didn't go for a 2pt-conversion

[teegre]

Originally Posted by fansince'76

Yep. Cowher mismanaged the QB position, no question about it. The Kordell experiment should have ended in 1999. It continued for three years after that.

I remember vividly, the discussions before the 2001 draft... and most Steelers fans were raving about Drew Brees. Everyone knew that he'd be good, and that he'd drop in the draft, because he was "under 6 feet tall."

Honestly, I can't argue with the Casey Hampton pick; he solidified that defense (making them #1 immediately)... but... when people try to say that Cowher never had the opportunity to draft a franchise QB (the Steelers always draft too late), I think of Brees.

[Fire Arians]

Originally Posted by fansince'76

His 16-23 record as a starter after leaving Pittsburgh suggests otherwise. And saying he was the best QB outside of Bradshaw and Ben isn't really saying much either. He was a middling journeyman QB - nothing more, nothing less.

Look where he went, to the bottom feeding (at the time) Jets team that wasn't going anywhere and looking to just rebuild.

[teegre]

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

If he kept O'Donnell he probably would have won another, or couple more.

say what you want about Neil, but he was a good quarterback, the best outside of the ben/bradshaw eras. Keeping neil also would have kept kordell in his 'slash' position, where he was the most dangerous

There was NO way that Cowher was keeping "unnamed" after he was PAID off to throw those gimme INTs to Larry Brown.

NO way.

That was the best thing that Cowher ever did. Cowher didn't even TRY to re-sign "unnamed."

And, Yes, I am bitter (just as Cowher was).

[GoFor7]

Would you say the Steelers mismanaged the QB position in the 80's and 90's because they badly misjudged the talent level of guys like O'Donnell and Stewart? Or would you say they just felt they could get by without one by a strong running game and defense?

[fansince'76]

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

Look where he went, to the bottom feeding (at the time) Jets team that wasn't going anywhere and looking to just rebuild.

A "bottom feeding" Jets team that all of a sudden went to the AFC title game the year after Parcells ran him out of the Big Apple on a rail and started Testaverde. That's right - Vinny Testaverde.

[teegre]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

Would you say the Steelers mismanaged the QB position in the 80's and 90's because they badly misjudged the talent level of guys like O'Donnell and Stewart? Or would you say they just felt they could get by without one by a strong running game and defense?

Great question... a good debate starter. Hmmm... let me get back to you.

Again, great question.

[zcoop]

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

If he kept O'Donnell he probably would have won another, or couple more.

say what you want about Neil, but he was a good quarterback, the best outside of the ben/bradshaw eras. Keeping neil also would have kept kordell in his 'slash' position, where he was the most dangerous

You're kidding, right? C'Mon Man! Thats BS.

[jiminpa]

Originally Posted by zcoop

Agreed, game's over at that point. Much ado about nothing. If he had gone for it and missed, he'd have some bitching there too. Damn, can't make this shit up, can we?

After what he is doing to Mendy but won't do to his pets, I have lost any small amount of respect I may have had for Tomlin, but I won't make up reasons, (I don't need to). There was nothing wrong with taking the field goal there. Like Zcoop said, imagine the hatred if we had gone for two and not made it. That would have been as patently stupid as the fake punt or field goal, or whichever moronic fake that was earlier this year. He did the right thing this time.

[maddog78]

Originally Posted by teegre

I remember vividly, the discussions before the 2001 draft... and most Steelers fans were raving about Drew Brees. Everyone knew that he'd be good, and that he'd drop in the draft, because he was "under 6 feet tall."

Honestly, I can't argue with the Casey Hampton pick; he solidified that defense (making them #1 immediately)... but... when people try to say that Cowher never had the opportunity to draft a franchise QB (the Steelers always draft too late), I think of Brees.

Dawson, Unitas, Montana, Marino, Brady. This team has been passing on franchise QB's for decades.

[jiminpa]

How many of those QB personnel decisions were made by Cowher, and how many were made by the guy who chased Rod Woodson out of town so he could afford the upgrade to Chad Scott?