Official Game Goat Thread

[ZoneBlitzer]

Originally Posted by Rotorhead

The fieldgoal was a nonfactor, punting would not have made a difference. Ben's pick lost the game, the bad snap on the 24 ydr lost the game, Ben's pick six lost the game, our offense that couldnt move the ball lost the game.

Don't forget the times when Ben could've run for a first down. A smart savvy veteran QB would recognize the importance of maintaining possession and moving the chains.

[jiminpa]

Originally Posted by ZoneBlitzer

Don't forget the times when Ben could've run for a first down. A smart savvy veteran QB would recognize the importance of maintaining possession and moving the chains.

Ben has never been interested in simply moving the chains.

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by lardlad

Except Ben misses them on the deep ball quite a bit.

And they are too small to run across the middle of the field on a consistent basis. Then again, when you hardly throw deep it's not surprising you have issues connecting. Still, something they need to work on.

[Blackout]

Originally Posted by jiminpa

Ben has never been interested in simply moving the chains.

He wants to play heroball.

[lardlad]

Ok back to the OP.

I don't want Ben gone. He is a great QB. I don't believe he is anywhere near the top of the list in offseason concerns. But you cannot defend him in this game, you just can't. If we want to talk about his career and the past 30 years of football, fine that is another argument. Scale it back to this game, and this game only, Ben blew it. Ben gave them 6 early, and then the game at the end.

The wonderful Payton Manning threw a pick to lose a SB… Ben can come back from this.

[jiminpa]

Originally Posted by lardlad

Ok back to the OP.

I don't want Ben gone. He is a great QB. I don't believe he is anywhere near the top of the list in offseason concerns. But you cannot defend him in this game, you just can't. If we want to talk about his career and the past 30 years of football, fine that is another argument. Scale it back to this game, and this game only, Ben blew it. Ben gave them 6 early, and then the game at the end.

The wonderful Payton Manning threw a pick to lose a SB… Ben can come back from this.

I question his willingness to come back from this. He doesn't like Haley. He doesn't like solid offensive strategy. He wants to call his own plays, even though that usually ends badly. He doesn't want to develop into the QB he has always had the potential to be. He doesn't want to be coached. And it looks like if he has to lose games to get what he wants, he is willing to do just that.

[lardlad]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

And they are too small to run across the middle of the field on a consistent basis. Then again, when you hardly throw deep it's not surprising you have issues connecting. Still, something they need to work on.

Maybe so but size has little to do with it. Walker has no problem going across the middle. Hines Ward likely makes the hall of fame going across the middle, he wasn't big.

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by jiminpa

I question his willingness to come back from this. He doesn't like Haley. He doesn't like solid offensive strategy. He wants to call his own plays, even though that usually ends badly. He doesn't want to develop into the QB he has always had the potential to be. He doesn't want to be coached. And it looks like if he has to lose games to get what he wants, he is willing to do just that.

Yeah, because Ben has a history of intentionally losing games.

Maybe Ben is tired of being turned into Mike Tomzack with bubble screens, then being asked to bail the team out on 3rd down.

[lardlad]

Originally Posted by jiminpa

I question his willingness to come back from this. He doesn't like Haley. He doesn't like solid offensive strategy. He wants to call his own plays, even though that usually ends badly. He doesn't want to develop into the QB he has always had the potential to be. He doesn't want to be coached. And it looks like if he has to lose games to get what he wants, he is willing to do just that.

I really hope you are wrong, but that has crossed my mind. But I think he will be fine.

[jiminpa]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

Yeah, because Ben has a history of intentionally losing games.

Maybe Ben is tired of being turned into Mike Tomzack with bubble screens, then being asked to bail the team out on 3rd down.

Ben is a friggin player, and not the smartest player on the field either. He is not the owner. He is not the coach. He is not the franchise. He is a player. If they want him to make a few Mike Tomczyk throws, or even mostly Mike Tomczyk throws that's his job, and guess what, it's a solid strategy. He is getting paid to hand the ball off or throw it to wherever he is told to throw it, and he hasn't been doing a very good job of that lately.