Who's the Better Leader? - Page 4

Kanata-Steeler · 12-23-2012, 03:26 PM

TERRY PAXTON BRADSHAW !!!
Ben ain't no leader, he's just a follower these days, and a bad one at that.

FrancoLambert · 12-23-2012, 04:03 PM

Can't see how anyone could vote for Ben over Terry especially after witnessing our QB self destruct the past 2 weeks.

GoFor7 · 12-23-2012, 11:04 PM

Funny how people are talking about how great Terry is now. Back in the day, he was hated because he was the star QB. Yinzer nation never passed up a chance to diminish him - until he was gone and you realized the team couldn't win.

Same thing with Ben. Right now many of yinz are mad at him. Many of you don't want to talk about his touchdown pass to Holmes in the Super Bowl, but instead you'd rather talk about every single bad throw he's made. You'll think of him as an interception machine because of his bad game in Oakland in 2006. Many years from now, perhaps after a subpar Steelers season, you'll be talking about how great he was and how terrible some young, franchise Steelers QB is.

I think I now understand why Bradshaw stayed away from Pittsburgh for a while after he retired.

jiminpa · 12-23-2012, 11:08 PM

Ben would need two star seasons to be Bradshaw's towel boy.

It took Terry a while for things to slow down in front of him, and once that happened he was everything he had boasted he would be, but he wasn't boasting anymore. Bradshaw willingly grew into the position and kept growing. Bradshaw called the plays within Chuck Noll's scheme, and did it the way Chuck wanted it done. He didn't whine and cry about them not being the plays he thought were fun. He did his job he did it well, and he earned respect. I have never heard of any of the other players telling the wait staff to spit in Terry's drinks.

BR, is none of those, and the other players pretty much hate him.

GoFor7 · 12-24-2012, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiminpa

Ben would need two star seasons to be Bradshaw's towel boy.

It took Terry a while for things to slow down in front of him, and once that happened he was everything he had boasted he would be, but he wasn't boasting anymore. Bradshaw willingly grew into the position and kept growing. Bradshaw called the plays within Chuck Noll's scheme, and did it the way Chuck wanted it done. He didn't whine and cry about them not being the plays he thought were fun. He did his job he did it well, and he earned respect. I have never heard of any of the other players telling the wait staff to spit in Terry's drinks.

BR, is none of those, and the other players pretty much hate him.

jiminpa, continues to be the master of BS.

But, lets say you're right about Bradshaw. Doesn't change the fact that yinzer nation bashed him at every opportunity they could while neglecting his achievements. Some Steeler fans, deep down, whether it's Ben or Terry, want the star QB to fail so they can blame everything on him. Dimwits like you do it every time. They don't realize how silly they sound until they're QBs are Brister, O'Donnell, Stewart, or some other scrub not worth mentioning.

Steel95 · 12-24-2012, 12:35 AM

I voted for Terry; I was a kid when they won those 4 SuperBowls during the 70's. A leader leads his team on the field and off of it as well. A leader sets the example; he doesn't bring unecessary controversy to the team. Ala Big Ben's comments last Sunday. In order to become a leader, one must first follow. I voted for Terry because he played the position like a natural QB; I like Big Ben and some of the things he does when he extends those plays. But you know, sometimes I think he extends the plays just 2b extending the play. You don't have to make a splash play on every down.

jiminpa · 12-24-2012, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steel95

I voted for Terry; I was a kid when they won those 4 SuperBowls during the 70's. A leader leads his team on the field and off of it as well. A leader sets the example; he doesn't bring unecessary controversy to the team. Ala Big Ben's comments last Sunday. In order to become a leader, one must first follow. I voted for Terry because he played the position like a natural QB; I like Big Ben and some of the things he does when he extends those plays. But you know, sometimes I think he extends the plays just 2b extending the play. You don't have to make a splash play on every down.

^^This.

Steel Peon · 12-24-2012, 08:19 AM

You forgot to include Hines Ward on the list......he's technically also a QB, and definitely a team leader.

GoFor7 · 12-24-2012, 10:45 AM

And the point is missed, but you're actually proving my point by missing it in a weird way. Despite everything he accomplished, Terry was hated back then. It wasn't until after his retirement yinzers realized how good he was.

History may be repeating itself.

teegre · 12-25-2012, 10:21 AM

The problem with this kind of debate: it quickly descends into political-esque theatrics. Instead of simply cheering for whom you prefer, it becomes all about mudslinging.

Let's use Superman versus Batman as an allegory.

"Superman is better, because he can fly"
"Batman is better, because he has no superpowers; just sheer will power."

[It starts off well.]

"Eff Batman!!! He's a spoiled billionaire."
"Yeah, well, Superman looks like a pansy in his colored tights."

[Hark... it unravels further...]

"Anyone who likes Batman is a dumb-ass."
"Those who like Superman are low in IQ."

[Et cetera.]

What both sides of this debate need to realize is that BOTH players are great... or, using the superhero analogy, neither one of them is Aquaman.

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12-23-2012, 03:26 PM	#31
Kanata-Steeler Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,855 Member Number: 15552 Thanks: 9 Thanked 15 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? TERRY PAXTON BRADSHAW !!! Ben ain't no leader, he's just a follower these days, and a bad one at that.

12-23-2012, 04:03 PM	#32
FrancoLambert Team Captain Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: tony soprano's neighborhood Posts: 910 Member Number: 20827 Thanks: 89 Thanked 113 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? Can't see how anyone could vote for Ben over Terry especially after witnessing our QB self destruct the past 2 weeks.

12-23-2012, 11:04 PM	#33
GoFor7 Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,353 Member Number: 24211 Thanks: 32 Thanked 93 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? Funny how people are talking about how great Terry is now. Back in the day, he was hated because he was the star QB. Yinzer nation never passed up a chance to diminish him - until he was gone and you realized the team couldn't win. Same thing with Ben. Right now many of yinz are mad at him. Many of you don't want to talk about his touchdown pass to Holmes in the Super Bowl, but instead you'd rather talk about every single bad throw he's made. You'll think of him as an interception machine because of his bad game in Oakland in 2006. Many years from now, perhaps after a subpar Steelers season, you'll be talking about how great he was and how terrible some young, franchise Steelers QB is. I think I now understand why Bradshaw stayed away from Pittsburgh for a while after he retired.

12-23-2012, 11:08 PM	#34
jiminpa Starter Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 424 Member Number: 20511 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? Ben would need two star seasons to be Bradshaw's towel boy. It took Terry a while for things to slow down in front of him, and once that happened he was everything he had boasted he would be, but he wasn't boasting anymore. Bradshaw willingly grew into the position and kept growing. Bradshaw called the plays within Chuck Noll's scheme, and did it the way Chuck wanted it done. He didn't whine and cry about them not being the plays he thought were fun. He did his job he did it well, and he earned respect. I have never heard of any of the other players telling the wait staff to spit in Terry's drinks. BR, is none of those, and the other players pretty much hate him.

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12-24-2012, 12:35 AM	#36
Steel95 Draft Prospect Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 94 Member Number: 20292 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? I voted for Terry; I was a kid when they won those 4 SuperBowls during the 70's. A leader leads his team on the field and off of it as well. A leader sets the example; he doesn't bring unecessary controversy to the team. Ala Big Ben's comments last Sunday. In order to become a leader, one must first follow. I voted for Terry because he played the position like a natural QB; I like Big Ben and some of the things he does when he extends those plays. But you know, sometimes I think he extends the plays just 2b extending the play. You don't have to make a splash play on every down.

12-24-2012, 08:19 AM	#38
Steel Peon Bench Warmer Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 294 Gender: Male Member Number: 17520 Thanks: 8 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? You forgot to include Hines Ward on the list......he's technically also a QB, and definitely a team leader.

12-24-2012, 10:45 AM	#39
GoFor7 Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,353 Member Number: 24211 Thanks: 32 Thanked 93 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? And the point is missed, but you're actually proving my point by missing it in a weird way. Despite everything he accomplished, Terry was hated back then. It wasn't until after his retirement yinzers realized how good he was. History may be repeating itself.

12-25-2012, 10:21 AM	#40
teegre Living Legend Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,479 Member Number: 24108 Thanks: 1,004 Thanked 854 Times in 553 Posts	Re: Who's the Better Leader? The problem with this kind of debate: it quickly descends into political-esque theatrics. Instead of simply cheering for whom you prefer, it becomes all about mudslinging. Let's use Superman versus Batman as an allegory. "Superman is better, because he can fly" "Batman is better, because he has no superpowers; just sheer will power." [It starts off well.] "Eff Batman!!! He's a spoiled billionaire." "Yeah, well, Superman looks like a pansy in his colored tights." [Hark... it unravels further...] "Anyone who likes Batman is a dumb-ass." "Those who like Superman are low in IQ." [Et cetera.] What both sides of this debate need to realize is that BOTH players are great... or, using the superhero analogy, neither one of them is Aquaman.

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