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Old 12-26-2012, 03:00 PM   #71
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Default Re: Madden: Ben's at fault, but he's not the only one

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Steelers fans are spoiled. Ben had a bad game. Big deal. He's still one of the top 6 QB in the league and I'm happy that he's a Steeler.

And when you have a franchise QB, you put him in his most comfortable situation for him to succeed. So far I don't think Tomlin and Haley did. It seems that Haley just wants to win the time of possession war instead of winning the game.
I definitely get what you're saying, but I'm not so sure it's starts with Haley. The Steelers have never wanted a high scoring offense, they always want to be about defense. That's why yinzers shouldn't get angry with Ben - he did exactly what Artie wanted him to do this season, hand off and throw bubble screens.

Don't get angry at Ben because the offense doesn't put up enough points or because the pressure is always on the defense. That's how the Steelers WANT to play. They WANT to play close to the vest. Tomlin has even said in press conferences that he wants to keep the game close and win it in the end. So don't be surprised when this offense doesn't reach it's potential, because that's not what the Steelers are about.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:38 PM   #72
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Default Re: Madden: Ben's at fault, but he's not the only one

it's hilarious to see the everyone try to drum up excuses looking for scapegoats without Arians and Willian Gay around


face it - the only thing that changed from 12-4 and 8-8 is the OC

when owners listen to fans they deserve what they get in return
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:16 PM   #73
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face it - the only thing that changed from 12-4 and 8-8 is the OC
That, and the fact that the defense partied like it was 2009, blowing multiple fourth-quarter leads. Oh but wait; we can't blame the defense for anything.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:41 PM   #74
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That, and the fact that the defense partied like it was 2009, blowing multiple fourth-quarter leads. Oh but wait; we can't blame the defense for anything.
I'm hoping the defense plays next year like it did against the Bengals - aggressive. This "tackle the catch" crap helped put the Steelers in this 7-8 hole.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:47 PM   #75
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Never mind that Ben's played 11-and-a-half games instead of 15 like the others. He's thrown 23 TD passes in 11-and-a-half games, which would put him on pace for 32 TD passes in 16 games. That's a lot of TD passes.
To elaborate on this, Drew Brees is on pace for 42 TD passes, Aaron Rodgers for 37, Peyton Manning for 36, and Tom Brady for 33. That means Roethlisberger would be within five TD passes of Rodgers, three of Manning and one of Brady. As for Brees, he also has 18 INTs, most in the league. At his current pace, he'll have 19 INTs for the season. On that note, Manning would have 12, and Brady and Rodgers would have nine. Roethlisberger would have 11.

So here's the extrapolated TD/INT ratio of each QB in 16 games:

42/19 - Drew Brees
37/9 - Aaron Rodgers
36/12 - Peyton Manning
33/9 - Tom Brady
32/11 - Ben Roethlisberger

And for shits and giggles...

22/16 - Eli Manning

What this tells me is that a) Roethlisberger can certainly hang with all the QB's who are supposedly orders of magnitude better than him, b) he's outright better than Eli Manning, and c) the lack of scoring by the Steelers offense is because Roethlisberger missed three-and-a-half games and the running game sucks.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:13 PM   #76
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To elaborate on this, Drew Brees is on pace for 42 TD passes, Aaron Rodgers for 37, Peyton Manning for 36, and Tom Brady for 33. That means Roethlisberger would be within five TD passes of Rodgers, three of Manning and one of Brady. As for Brees, he also has 18 INTs, most in the league. At his current pace, he'll have 19 INTs for the season. On that note, Manning would have 12, and Brady and Rodgers would have nine. Roethlisberger would have 11.

So here's the extrapolated TD/INT ratio of each QB in 16 games:

42/19 - Drew Brees
37/9 - Aaron Rodgers
36/12 - Peyton Manning
33/9 - Tom Brady
32/11 - Ben Roethlisberger

And for shits and giggles...

22/16 - Eli Manning

What this tells me is that a) Roethlisberger can certainly hang with all the QB's who are supposedly orders of magnitude better than him, b) he's outright better than Eli Manning, and c) the lack of scoring by the Steelers offense is because Roethlisberger missed three-and-a-half games and the running game sucks.
Dammit boy, you'll confuse people with facts.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:01 PM   #77
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Ben loved his old OC, so we fire Arians and then force a new OC on Ben that he really doesn't like.

Ben has requested on numerous occasions to let him run more no huddle, yet we hardly ever let him do it.

would it be such a bad idea to allow Ben to just be Ben and give him more input into this offense, isn't that why we gave him a $100 million contract?

The Steelers did all of the following Last Sunday. They unleashed Ben, only scored 10 points and now they're sitting at home for the postseason.

THEY LET BEN BE BEN, and they're staring dead in the face of a losing season.

I'm tired of the excuses for his mediocrity. Ben is just a perpetual manchild who will never get it, not to mention a bad leader. He can't handle the offense competently. He was handed a Sedan and he crashed it into a tree. Time to take the car keys off of him. Fuck that "franchise QB" bullshit. Haley drives the Offense from here on out. I don't give a flying fuck if Ben likes it or not.

Under Haley's direction, Ben was well on his way to a career year. But being the rebellious petulant child he is, Ben wanted to be the cowboy, so he bitched in the media about playcalling after losing the game on a play HE HIMSELF called. They handed him the keys in a do-or-die game and he proceeds to shit all over himself.

They let Ben be Ben alright, and now we're out of the playoffs.

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The Steelers did all of the following Last Sunday. They unleashed Ben, only scored 10 points and now they're sitting at home for the postseason.

THEY LET BEN BE BEN, and they're staring dead in the face of a losing season.

Ben is just a perpetual manchild who will never get it. He can't handle the offense responsibly. He was handed a Sedan and he crashed it into a tree. Time to take the car keys off of him. Haley drives the Offense now.
What game did you watch Sunday. I saw runs on first two plays for little or no gain and then "they unleashed Ben". If that is unleashing then it is fortunate we scored 10.
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What game did you watch Sunday. I saw runs on first two plays for little or no gain and then "they unleashed Ben". If that is unleashing then it is fortunate we scored 10.
They went no huddle and Ben checked into quite a few runs. What is more concerning is that he thought he could lead the no huddle despite not being able to throw a simple screen without it hitting the ground. Ben was absolutely awful when handed the car keys. Just because the O-line was owned and the run game failed, doesn't mean that Ben didn't look bad. He was awful and for the 3rd time in 2 weeks, threw a costly INT in his own territory. On top of not throwing accurate passes in critical situations, he made it easier for the other team by gift wrapping field position and points.

People were thrilled after the Giants game when Ben was in fact on his way to being safe and having a career season. Don't conveniently forget the direction things were going before the offense got the dropsies and injuries trampled this team.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:41 PM   #80
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They went no huddle and Ben checked into quite a few runs.
Well so much for him being greedy if he audibled to a bunch of runs.

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What is more concerning is that he thought he could lead the no huddle despite not being able to throw a simple screen without it hitting the ground. Ben was absolutely awful when handed the car keys.
Well when your right shoulder is hurt, it's difficult to even turn the keys in the ignition.
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