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Old 12-27-2012, 11:02 PM   #121
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Gosh what a miserable season.
We may have won one against Baltimore, but truth be told, the Ravens have been a classier, more successful organization than us over the last decade. They kind of own us. And I don't expect that to change next year, when Joe Flacco is one year wiser.
Year in and year out, there at the top or giving us trouble.
We have a good year every now and then but look at us now.
and ray lewis / ed reed are another year closer to the geriatric ward
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:11 AM   #122
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The Hollow Man Ben Roethlisberger casts shadow over Steelers lost season

By PaVaSteeler on Dec 27



The last game of the season doesn’t matter to the future of the Steelers success unless either Ben Roethlisberger fully and publicly accepts and embraces Todd Haley and the offensive scheme the Steelers are trying to implement, or Haley is fired.

Ben Roethlisberger can either step up and embrace Todd Haley's offense, or continue being the Hollow Man in T.S. Eliot's poem of the same name.

The Steelers will end the 2012 season not with a bang, but a whimper. At the root of it all, it doesn't matter whether the Steelers win or lose against the Cleveland Browns come this last football Sunday of the regular season, nor does it matter in the end how well the wide receivers perform, or how balanced the running game is in the overall game plan.

Let's get the obvious out of the way first: The revolving door of injuries to the offensive line was a material contributor to the Steelers' uneven offensive performance throughout the season. For yet another year the Steelers were forced to use ten or eleven different configurations on the O line as one player after another fell to injury. Even center Maurkice Pouncey was replaced for a couple of games and started at left guard in another. At various points throughout the season, one if not two rookies found themselves starting. Rookie RT Mike Adams started in place of injured Marcus Gilbert, and then was himself replaced by rookie Kelvin Beachum. Rookie David DeCastro started at RG alongside Beachum at one point.

Rookies starting games, and starting players filling in at unfamiliar positions is a recipe for trouble for any team; rookies play like rookies as DeCastro proved against the Bengals, where he was repeatedly manhandled and otherwise looking quite lost on many plays.

But injuries strike all teams to one degree or another and compensating for them is part of the game. Every team has a variation of "the standard" or a "next man up" mentality; they have to because it is part of the nature of professional football.

A decision was made after last season to retire Bruce Arians (or let him go, take your pick) and bring someone in who had a track record of utilizing the skill sets already in place with the team, and to devise an offensive philosophy that would best suit those skills while protecting and enhancing the qualities of the franchise's quarterback. Roethlisberger is getting older and all the sacks and beatings he has taken were seen as likely to shorten his career.

And yet, the single overarching theme surrounding the selection of Todd Haley to replace Arians, given Roethlisberger's public support in keeping Arians and his expressed concerns over the selection of Haley, was whether the "temperamental Todd Haley" and the "prickly" franchise QB would get along or do battle. Everything revolved around Roethlisberger, or as T.S. Eliot wrote in his poem "The Hollow Men":

"Here we go round the prickly pear

Prickly pear prickly pear

Here we go round the prickly pear..."

From day one the media and the fans waited with baited breath, asking: "Have they spoken yet? - Why not? - What did they talk about? - Are they getting along? - How will Ben perform under the new scheme? - What did Ben mean by that statement? - Is there discord between the two? - Is Ben questioning the new scheme? - Does Ben stick to the new scheme? - Did Ben question the play calling? - Who will prevail, Haley or Ben?" And on, and on, and round and round it went.

The signs are there that Roethlisberger has never fully committed himself to the offensive scheme Haley was hired to produce, and that Mike Tomlin has approved (otherwise, why was Haley hired and the scheme implemented in the first place?). And by failing to fully embrace the new offense, Roethlisberger has cast a shadow that has permeated the entire offensive unit; or, as Eliot wrote:

Between the conception

And the creation

Between the emotion

And the response

Falls the Shadow

Ben Roethlisberger was elected to be one of the captains of this team, and rightfully so; he is a franchise quarterback on whose shoulders the team's success depends. But for all the maturation Roethlisberger has shown this past year, after all the acceptance of "blame" for the losses and poor performance the offensive unit has suffered, it is quite apparent the underlying issues affecting this offense are still unresolved.

...Between the idea

And the reality

Between the motion

And the act

Falls the Shadow

The signs have been plentiful: not one, not two, but all three wide receivers not being fully engaged throughout the game, almost every game, by their own admissions and thus not quite being where they were supposed to be or dropping passes or fumbling at the most inopportune times. And why was this happening? Was it just the petulance of a "I just wanna get paid" Mike Wallace, or the big-contract hangover of Antonio Brown? Or could it be that they sensed that their quarterback was not fully on board with the new offensive scheme and its requirements for quick reads and check downs to get rid of the ball as opposed to the QB scrambling and trying to create plays that aren't there? Were they trying to hedge the running of their assignments under that new scheme because they thought their QB may revert back to how they "used to do it"?

And what of the running game component of Haley's new offensive playbook? Yes, injuries to the offensive line directly impacted the effectiveness of the running game, as did injuries to the various backs. But no running back is going to be effective if the Steelers only run the ball 17 times in a game, and employ a revolving platoon of backs to share those 17 carries. It has long been axiomatic that a running back needs a substantial number of carries in a game to establish a rhythm in order to be effective.

Why then was the running game relegated to such an insignificant role in seven of the Steelers' eight losses? The Steelers' average rushing ratio in their eight losses was 36.6 percent; in their seven wins it was 47.8 percent.

Out of the six Steeler wins with Roethlisberger playing, the Steelers never ran less than 44 percent of the time, and Roethlisberger's quarterback rating was over 92 in four out of those six wins (the Eagles game and the game he was injured against the Chiefs being the exception). His rating for the year is currently 95.5.

Before his injury, Roethlisberger had a cumulative quarterback rating of 100. In the three games since his recovery, his cumulative rating is 82.5. A logical expectation would be that upon Roethlisberger's return from injury, the Steelers would emphasize the run in order to ease their quarterback back into his rhythm. And yet that didn't happen. Only one of the three post-injury games saw the Steelers run the ball more than 30 percent, and that was the last Bengals' game at 53 percent.

Of the six losses that Roethlisberger played in, only one game saw the Steelers rushing ratio exceed 40 percent; two games in a row the Steelers ran the ball only 29 percent of the time (against the San Diego Chargers and Dallas Cowboys). Out of those six losses, Roethlisberger's quarterback rating failed to break 90 four times, with the second Bengals game being the nadir at a paltry 58.6.

Could it be that upon his return, the offensive game plan was changed back to what Roethlisberger really wanted it to be, rather than sticking to the style Haley was brought in to implement? Could it be that the offensive game plans became Arians-esque in order to make Roethlisberger "happy"?

Was it a coincidence that in the week leading up to the Chargers game, Roethlisberger's first game back from injury, Mike Wallace is quoted in an interview that "When I don‘t get the ball for a certain amount of time, I lose focus sometimes," he said. "It hurts me when it‘s time for me to make a play."

And was it a coincidence that in that game the very first Steeler offensive play from scrimmage is a 10 yard pass to Wallace?

And was it a coincidence that after the Chargers' game, when asked by reporters about the lateral pass intended for Antonio Brown that was called when the Steelers were on their own 5 yard line, Roethlisberger's response was "...ask the Coach"?

And was it a coincidence that after the loss to the Cowboys, there was enough substance to the implications Roethlisberger raised in the answer he gave about the play calling that he felt compelled to meet with the coaches and apologize?

Until such a time as an offensive strategy that is equally and completely embraced by the Steelers franchise quarterback, his receivers, and the Steelers' coaching staff; until such equilibrium is reached, the Steelers' offense will not shine, and neither Roethlisberger nor the offense will emerge from the shadow of this discord.

All of the potential embodied by Roethlisberger, Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Heath Miller, Jonathan Dwyer, Isaac Redman and the rest of the Steelers' offensive unit will remain unrealized potential lost in the shadows of Roethlisberger's hollow platitudes uttered for reporters, the shadows of all of the hollow apologies he issues for letting slip a true glimpse of his frame of mind, and the shadows of all of the hollow acceptance of blame for the Steelers' losses. For if Roethlisberger continues to be The Hollow Man then, as Eliot writes:

Between the desire

And the spasm

Between the potency

And the existence

Between the essence

And the descent

Falls the Shadow

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Old 12-28-2012, 01:30 AM   #123
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I'll regain confidence in Ben when he shows a real dedication to Haley and the offense in the offseason. Not some stupid "I'm on board" fluff, he needs to show a real determination and dedication to it.

Haley set him on the right path, and Ben proceeded be a petty douche and spit in the face of the system that made him healthy and brought him much success, because it proved him and his butt buddy Arians wrong and the Rooneys right? That is the definition of a real undisciplined prima-donna. A guy who will cut off his own nose to spite his face. Screw what's best for the team, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. I'm the 2x Super Bowl QB! There's nothing Haley can't tell me! Unfortunately we have users on here who want Haley gone. No, the fingers that need to be pointed at is a certain guy wearing #7.

Oh, and it would help if Mike Wallace is cut loose in the offseason. He needs to go.

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Old 12-28-2012, 01:54 AM   #124
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I'll regain confidence in Ben when he shows a real dedication to Haley and the offense in the offseason. Not some stupid "I'm on board" fluff, he needs to show a real determination and dedication to it.

Haley set him on the right path, and Ben proceeded to spit in the face of the system that made him healthy and even better. That is the definition of a real undisciplined prima-donna. Screw what's best for the team, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. I'm the 2x Super Bowl QB! There's nothing Haley can't tell me! Unfortunately we have users on here who want Haley gone. No, the fingers that need to be pointed at is a certain guy wearing #7.

Oh, and it would help if Mike Wallace is cut loose in the offseason. He needs to go.
Wear and tear will only make it worse. Big Ben isnt getting better, he will get worse, as he did this year. He has not made a full years effort to protect himself and still play at a high level.

Wallace will be gone, so it doesnt matter with that clown any more. Mendy the same. But if your star QB is going to play and talk like a douche half the season, what is the point anyway. The issue is, no replacement for 2 time super bowl QBs who can play well. So, I really do not know what the future hold completely.
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Wear and tear will only make it worse. Big Ben isnt getting better, he will get worse, as he did this year. He has not made a full years effort to protect himself and still play at a high level.

Wallace will be gone, so it doesnt matter with that clown any more. Mendy the same. But if your star QB is going to play and talk like a douche half the season, what is the point anyway. The issue is, no replacement for 2 time super bowl QBs who can play well. So, I really do not know what the future hold completely.
Ben will probably win an MVP award and multiple awards under Haley and still pout like a bitter ***** because it wasn't HIM and Arians who did it. That's how much of a selfish douche I imagine him being. It wouldn't surprise me if he did think this way.

Why do I believe this? Because Ben himself experienced the success he was having under Haley's system. So wouldn't it make more sense that coming back after the injury, he would return to that playstyle? Well yeah, but you see, this concept doesn't apply to a petty douche like Ben Roethlisberger.

He wants to be successful doing things HIS way, not by someone else, even if it benefits him and the team more. That's why he was so quick to jab at Haley after the Cowboys loss.
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Why people think that no huddle means big play? Did he really return to his past playstyle? It would be appreciated if someone can post his number of short and long pass per attempt before and after the injury.
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A long Blog by an unknown and who has been writing blogs for less than a year. I can appreciate his view but I value it no more than any of the countless others out there. For every post of Ben accepting Haleys concepts completely I can find one that counters with why should Ben change all together and why should Haley not adapt to Ben more. Like I have said I am not completely down on Haleys version, but I saw trying to run his offense and it did not yield great results. Less scoring, no run game, Ben put in obvious pass situations where he becomes more likely to be sacked. This thought that Ben tanked the season as a F U to Haley is crazy. He knows that Arians is gone for good, I thinks he knows that based on the history of the FO that Haley is here for more than one year. But for Ben to just except what Haley puts out there as the end all of how this offense should be run is crazy also. Haley is going to have to adapt and get better him self.
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Gosh what a miserable season.
We may have won one against Baltimore, but truth be told, the Ravens have been a classier, more successful organization than us over the last decade. They kind of own us. And I don't expect that to change next year, when Joe Flacco is one year wiser.
Year in and year out, there at the top or giving us trouble.
We have a good year every now and then but look at us now.
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You must be on Crack. Flacco sucks and the Ravens are major pretenders this year. We weren't very good this year, but the Ravens are really not very good. They are going nowhere and will be on more of a decline than us the next few years. As far as owning us lately. Well, we've been to 3 Super Bowls in the last 7 seasons. Twice while beating them in the playoffs, while they have done jack shit. I laugh at your idea that they own us. That's just funny. If one didn't know better, they might think you actually liked our little bitch's over there in Baltimore.
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Ben will probably win an MVP award and multiple awards under Haley and still pout like a bitter ***** because it wasn't HIM and Arians who did it. That's how much of a selfish douche I imagine him being. It wouldn't surprise me if he did think this way.

Why do I believe this? Because Ben himself experienced the success he was having under Haley's system. So wouldn't it make more sense that coming back after the injury, he would return to that playstyle? Well yeah, but you see, this concept doesn't apply to a petty douche like Ben Roethlisberger.

He wants to be successful doing things HIS way, not by someone else, even if it benefits him and the team more. That's why he was so quick to jab at Haley after the Cowboys loss.
Results this year and results last year were almost identical in terms of ranking and season for the offense. The common denominator is Big Ben. Ben can blame someone all he wants, he has been terrible when it mattered the last two years.
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The running game actually got far worse than last season. So much for running the football and it must be Ben's fault, not Haley.
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