All these ditch Ben threads

[lloydwoodson]

Trying to determine which current qb is 5th best is like trying to determine which 90s running back is the best after Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Or which wr is best after Jerry Rice.

Rodgers, Brees, Brady and P Manning are elite.

No one else is elite.

This is why the offenses of those qbs always approach scoring 30 ppg year after year.

[Edman]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

Trying to determine which current qb is 5th best is like trying to determine which 90s running back is the best after Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Or which wr is best after Jerry Rice.

Rodgers, Brees, Brady and P Manning are elite.

No one else is elite.

This is why the offenses of those qbs always approach scoring 30 ppg year after year.

Those QB's don't spit in the face of their systems just because they want to do things "their" way either.

Either Ben gets on board with Haley, or we're going to see more seasons like this. I'm not harping on the blame on Haley for this season, he had the offense going until people (Mike Wallace especially) kept crying for more Arians Ball. We got more Arians Ball alright, and Ben got his shoulder fried.

Speaking of which, adios to Wallace(I hope), I wouldn't be sorry to see Mendenhall leave either. Being talented doesn't matter if the head isn't there.

[Stillers2012]

I never said that Ben is the ONLY reason that we won the Superbowls. That's just not true. But even in SB40 he had a horrible passer rating but made the plays when needed. My whole point is that Ben has done a helluva lot more good than bad for this team. He may be a gunslinger out there but he generally gets the job done when needed and when a couple games go bad for him vevryone wants to send him packing. Again, cut the guy some slack. If he's having a down period show a little support. Don't tear him down.

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by Edman

Those QB's don't spit in the face of their systems just because they want to do things "their" way either.

That's because those QBs don't get playbooks rammed down their throats. Their organizations actually play to their strengths instead of just waiting for 3rd and long or the last two minutes of a game.

Either Ben gets on board with Haley, or we're going to see more seasons like this. I'm not harping on the blame on Haley for this season, he had the offense going until people (Mike Wallace especially) kept crying for more Arians Ball. We got more Arians Ball alright, and Ben got his shoulder fried.

How about Artie gets with the times and realizes Marty ball isn't working. I'd rather they let him win the game early so the last 2 minutes are meaningless.

I didn't realize all the failed RUTMs were Ben's fault? How about that nice end-around that resulted in Brown getting dropped right outside his own endzone? Was that Ben's fault too?

The Steelers pulling that kind of shit on offense is the reason Ben isn't going to be able to bail them out all the time.

[lloydwoodson]

P Manning starts the year with a new team coming off 4 neck surgeries.

New teammates, new coaches, new everything.

P Manning puts up what would be the best season in Roethlisberger's career. More TDs, more yards and higher rating than Roethlisberger has ever had.

Broncos post the league's second best offense (after the elite Tom Brady's) averaging 29.5 ppg. Meanwhile the Steelers elite Roethlisberger's offense finishes 21st.

Ben is not going anywhere. But it would make it a lot easier for me to deal with Steelers fans if you hopped off Ben's nuts and started holding him accountable for the Steelers' offense.

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

P Manning starts the year with a new team coming off 4 neck surgeries.

New teammates, new coaches, new everything.

P Manning puts up what would be the best season in Roethlisberger's career. More TDs, more yards and higher rating than Roethlisberger has ever had.

Broncos post the league's second best offense (after the elite Tom Brady's) averaging 29.5 ppg. Meanwhile the Steelers elite Roethlisberger's offense finishes 21st.

Ben is not going anywhere. But it would make it a lot easier for me to deal with Steelers fans if you hopped off Ben's nuts and started holding him accountable for the Steelers' offense.

Ah, I keep saying this, but simple-minded yinzers just love to ignore it.....

Those teams give their QBs the chance to win the game early. The Steelers play Marty ball and hope to God Ben bails them out in the end. When you play that style, the QB won't be able to bail you out all the time? Is that too hard for a peanut-sized brain to get?

Also keep in mind Brees has had four losing seasons since coming into the league, Ben has had none.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

Ah, I keep saying this, but simple-minded yinzers just love to ignore it.....

Those teams give their QBs the chance to win the game early. The Steelers play Marty ball and hope to God Ben bails them out in the end. When you play that style, the QB won't be able to bail you out all the time? Is that too hard for a peanut-sized brain to get?

Also keep in mind Brees has had four losing seasons since coming into the league, Ben has had none.

Ben throws 35.5 times per game.

P Manning throws 36.9 times per game.

Next excuse that puts the blame on everyone but Ben please.

*Didn't address the second idiotic remark*

How many times has Brees had a top 5 defense?

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

Ben throws 35.5 times per game.

P Manning throws 36.9 times per game.

Next excuse that puts the blame on everyone but Ben please.

Wow, really? Haven't these discussions been held before on this forum? Those stats are meaningless. Bubble screens and check downs count as throws too.

Those teams use a lot of no huddle and actually put an emphasis on scoring. The Steelers play Marty ball and put the emphasis on time of possession. So Ben technically may throw as much as Manning or Brady, but usually for small gains, or negative yardage as the Steelers stink with bubble screens. The Steelers don't attack, they just play scared and hope nothing goes wrong.

*spells it out for yinzer with peanut-sized brain*
I thought you said guys like Brees, Rodgers and Manning were the best of the best? If Brees was that good then should it matter where his defense ranks? The truth, regardless of numbers, Ben has come through more often than Brees.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

Wow, really? Haven't these discussions been held before on this forum? Those stats are meaningless. Bubble screens and check downs count as throws too.

Those teams use a lot of no huddle and actually put an emphasis on scoring. The Steelers play Marty ball and put the emphasis on time of possession. So Ben technically may throw as much as Manning or Brady, but usually for small gains, or negative yardage as the Steelers stink with bubble screens. The Steelers don't attack, they just play scared and hope nothing goes wrong.

Umm have you ever watched a Patriots game? Patriots brought the screen pass into vogue. Welker is their leading receiver and he is a true slot back catching nothing but dink and dunk passes very close to the LOS.

No one dinks and dunks more than the Patriots. Their offense revolves around their slot back, tight ends and running back screens. So wtf are you talking about?

Yeah the Steelers tell Ben "Whatever you do don't try to score."

Steelers offense is the same underachieving offense since 2004 and the only constant has been Roethlisberger.

Where were P Manning's "Rosetta Stone" comments? How come P Manning can go into a 100% new environment and have the league's 2nd best offense? Meanwhile Roethlisberger has had the same team for at least the last 3 years and is still 21st in the league? Is it the coaches?

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

Umm have you ever watched a Patriots game? Patriots brought the screen pass into vogue. Welker is their leading receiver and he is a true slot back catching nothing but dink and dunk passes very close to the LOS.

No one dinks and dunks more than the Patriots. Their offense revolves around their slot back, tight ends and running back screens. So wtf are you talking about?

And the Steelers don't have that kind of personnel. They only have one good TE in Miller.

Yeah the Steelers tell Ben "Whatever you do don't try to score."

You really are proving how dumb you are. When the majority plays call for the WRs to only run 5 to 10 yards beyond the LOS, that means the Steelers are putting more emphasis on time of possession than scoring. Not hard to figure out.

Steelers offense is the same underachieving offense since 2004 and the only constant has been Roethlisberger.

Well, when you handcuff the QB until the last 2 minutes of a game, he won't score many points. Too bad your peanut-sized brain can't understand that.

Where were P Manning's "Rosetta Stone" comments? How come P Manning can go into a 100% new environment and have the league's 2nd best offense? Meanwhile Roethlisberger has had the same team for at least the last 3 years and is still 21st in the league? Is it the coaches?

Ah, the peanut-sized brain shows itself again. Maybe because Peyton Manning didn't get a new playbook rammed down his throat. Maybe because the Broncos built and offense around him rather than some owner that's enamored with outdated football.

I've actually said this stuff many times, but simple-minded yinzers such as yourself either have a hard time reading or chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your argument.