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Old 12-31-2012, 10:02 AM   #101
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How many legitimate Pro Bowl nominations does Ben have? How many seasons has he ranked in the top 5 in the League?
These 2 elements illustrate Ben's own skills and achievements, not team achievements.

Yes, Ben has 2 SB rings ......... so does Charlie Batch. Just sayin' ....... Based on his performance in the 3 Superbowls he played, Ben should consider himself very lucky to play for the Steelers, not the other way around.

Ben has never been ranked higher than 7th in passing yds. He once ranked 3rd in number of TDs, the rest is in the 2 digits rankings. He's a top 20% QB in the League. no question, but elite? Nope. Even with the weak schedule we had this season (and next season), Ben didn't make an impact.

I don't see $100M worth of production from Ben, sorry. I don't want to see him gone but I'm not creaming my pants watching him play.

You Ben fans tell me what I'm missing.

What you are missing about our 100M QB ( oh how you love to trot that out every post) is just what a bargain he really is. I looked up some QB salaries around the league and I will be glad to see some more recent figures if someones can find them but from Feb of this year here was the QB salaries that were Cap Hits.

1 Peyton 17M at that time. I do not have figures for his current deal.
2. Brady 15.2
3 Eli 15.2
4. Stafford 14.5
5 Sanchez 14.2
6. Romo 14 (how bout those last two)
7. Rivers 13.9 (just keeps getting better)
8.Vick 13.9 (Where's Ben if these three clowns are here)
9. Ryan 13 ( Great season player, no show come playoff time)
10 Carson Palmer 12.5 (WTF)
11. Ben 11.7 (AH a bargain at number 11)

BTW these numbers were before Brees had signed a deal so you can imagine that he is high if not at the top. I assume Peyton signed for less but I also imagine he still would be top 10, So you see Haters we get our investment back at QB position compared to the rest of the league. Everybody can't sign a rookie to a rrokie contract and expect playoffs every year like Luck and RGII, and don't forget they were number 1 and 2 both signed pretty good contract them selves.
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:14 AM   #102
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Wow! Sanchez and Vick are the two I'm most surprised about. What were the Jets and the Eagles thinking?

By comparison Ben is definitiely a great deal
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:17 AM   #103
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Found on Forbes top 100 paid players there was 30 NFL players, Ben was ranked #42 overall. I did not know but Ben does not have the highest salary on the Steelers, that honor belongs to Lamar Woodley holding down the number 31 spot.
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:29 AM   #104
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Found on Forbes top 100 paid players there was 30 NFL players, Ben was ranked #42 overall. I did not know but Ben does not have the highest salary on the Steelers, that honor belongs to Lamar Woodley holding down the number 31 spot.
ive hated on Ben plenty since his return from injury - but, Lamar certainly needs to restructure his contract - that's a lot of zingerz and star crunches
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:38 AM   #105
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Looks like a looooooot of our boys are on the brink. Hope we can keep Hampton...
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What you are missing about our 100M QB ( oh how you love to trot that out every post) is just what a bargain he really is. I looked up some QB salaries around the league and I will be glad to see some more recent figures if someones can find them but from Feb of this year here was the QB salaries that were Cap Hits.

1 Peyton 17M at that time. I do not have figures for his current deal.
2. Brady 15.2
3 Eli 15.2
4. Stafford 14.5
5 Sanchez 14.2
6. Romo 14 (how bout those last two)
7. Rivers 13.9 (just keeps getting better)
8.Vick 13.9 (Where's Ben if these three clowns are here)
9. Ryan 13 ( Great season player, no show come playoff time)
10 Carson Palmer 12.5 (WTF)
11. Ben 11.7 (AH a bargain at number 11)

BTW these numbers were before Brees had signed a deal so you can imagine that he is high if not at the top. I assume Peyton signed for less but I also imagine he still would be top 10, So you see Haters we get our investment back at QB position compared to the rest of the league. Everybody can't sign a rookie to a rrokie contract and expect playoffs every year like Luck and RGII, and don't forget they were number 1 and 2 both signed pretty good contract them selves.
Two (or more) wrongs don't make one right. Ben has already (or will) drop further down the list, with the next wave of QBs like RGIII, Luck etc.....

He's paid what someone was willing to pay him several years ago but I wouldn't be surprised if his contract is renegotiated as some point in the near future.

He's not only far from being a superstar in his sport, he's not even recognized as a figure in the Pittsburgh community.

Sorry to rant but I'm not drinking the Ben kool-aid.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:40 AM   #108
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Two (or more) wrongs don't make one right. Ben has already (or will) drop further down the list, with the next wave of QBs like RGIII, Luck etc.....

He's paid what someone was willing to pay him several years ago but I wouldn't be surprised if his contract is renegotiated as some point in the near future.

He's not only far from being a superstar in his sport, he's not even recognized as a figure in the Pittsburgh community.

Sorry to rant but I'm not drinking the Ben kool-aid.
Don't fully understand the hate, but that is your cross to bear. I just like to refute yours and others "facts", such as the overpaid part. You are correct that two wrongs do not make a right but teams will pay the value of the players based on the league and from what i just showed is that Ben is indeed a "bargain " at where he is being paid. I compare Elways play to Ben through first 9 seasons and it shows that Ben is far superior, with years to come that no one knows the outcome. Does Ben slide, or does he get better with age as Elway did. It remains to be seen. You and others like to point out our defense, and while near or at the top for some time, it is not the first time in franchise history. Before Ben was QB how did all those great defenses fair come playoff time. Loss after loss piled up in the AFCCG and the one lone time the Steelers made it to the SB was when we had a QB that had a very good season as far as passing, O'donnell. I like to see our recent successes as a partnership between both the Defense and the Offense, as well as Coaching staff, and Special teams. In other words the entire team, now if others on here tout Ben to the point it has created a hatred toward him then I can understand, but to put the blame on every season that does not end with a SB on Ben is wrong as well.
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JB 93 a top 5 coach??? huh ?? get me some of whatever it is you're smoking !!
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