Hire Whisenhunt

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

How come no one on this board can process simple information? The point isn't that Ben's offenses consistently produce fewer points than other top qbs.

THE POINT IS THAT EVERY QB WHO GOT A NEW OC THIS YEAR PRODUCED THE SAME NUMBER OF POINTS THEY DID LAST YEAR!

THE QB IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OFFENSE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE!

Really? It's the QB's fault the organization wants a run, run, pass offense?

That damn Ben! HAND OFF BETTER!

[NSMaster56]

Good list LloydWoodson.

Although, isn't McDaniels the Pats 'new' OC? Seeing as how he's a former QB coach for them, it's a technicality that he's a 'new' OC for them.

But substantial facts nonetheless.

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by NSMaster56

Good list LloydWoodson.

Although, isn't McDaniels the Pats 'new' OC? Seeing as how he's a former QB coach for them, it's a technicality that he's a 'new' OC for them.

But substantial facts nonetheless.

And yet you continue to ignore the fact that those offenses actually try to score instead of play ball-control like the Steelers.....

[NSMaster56]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

And yet you continue to ignore the fact that those offenses actually try to score instead of play ball-control like the Steelers.....

Huh?

No.

You're right about the style difference, but that doesn't explain the fact that each new OC O stayed in line with their previous year(s) scoring.

They're two different 'arguments'.

The Steelers O is questionable, but it doesn't appear to be strictly the fault of the OC.

EDIT: Though this is not to say it's only the fault of Big Ben. Clearly the OL and lack of #1 RB is a HUGE factor.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

And yet you continue to ignore the fact that those offenses actually try to score instead of play ball-control like the Steelers.....

Conclusion: Seeing that only Rodgers offensive production changed significantly, if a team wants to score more points they are better off with a new quarterback than a new coordinator.

My point is NOT that every other good qb is directing an offense that scores more points than Ben year in and year out - that is secondary.

The MAIN POINT is that every qb on the list - with the exception of Rodgers - produced almost exactly the same number of points under the new OC as under the old OC.

Every Roethlisberger fan thinks that simple statistical analysis is a "rosetta stone."

[torpedoshell31]

John Clayton of ESPN stated today that if Arizona hires Haley as their HC, then Whisenhut could very well be moving back to Pittsburgh to take over as OC. The Cards were 4-0 this year until Kolb got hurt and was out for the year. They went 1-11 with Skelton, Hoyer etc.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by torpedoshell31

John Clayton of ESPN stated today that if Arizona hires Haley as their HC, then Whisenhut could very well be moving back to Pittsburgh to take over as OC. The Cards were 4-0 this year until Kolb got hurt and was out for the year. They went 1-11 with Skelton, Hoyer etc.

GoFor7 isn't going to like this. Whisenhunt will design a timed-passing offense that utilizes a running game and play action. GoFor7 and all the Ben fanboys want Mike Martz! Ben is the best qb in the NFL! Anything less than the greatest show on turf is unacceptable! We want the Finest Designs at Heinz!

Anything less than Ben throwing the ball 50 times is absurd! Ben throwing 35-40 times a game isn't working!!! He needs to throw MORE!!!

The BORING BALL CONTROL OFFENSE that Ben used to go 15-1 in his rookie season and the superbowl in his second season must never come back!!!!! Ben is too elite for winning!!!!!

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

GoFor7 isn't going to like this. Whisenhunt will design a timed-passing offense that utilizes a running game and play action. GoFor7 and all the Ben fanboys want Mike Martz! Ben is the best qb in the NFL! Anything less than the greatest show on turf is unacceptable! We want the Finest Designs at Heinz!

Anything less than Ben throwing the ball 50 times is absurd! Ben throwing 35-40 times a game isn't working!!! He needs to throw MORE!!!

The BORING BALL CONTROL OFFENSE that Ben used to go 15-1 in his rookie season and the superbowl in his second season must never come back!!!!! Ben is too elite for winning!!!!!

Don't get your hopes up. After being passed up for the Steelers head coaching job, why the hell would Whiz want to come back and work under Tomlin?

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by NSMaster56

Huh?

No.

You're right about the style difference, but that doesn't explain the fact that each new OC O stayed in line with their previous year(s) scoring.

They're two different 'arguments'.

The Steelers O is questionable, but it doesn't appear to be strictly the fault of the OC.

EDIT: Though this is not to say it's only the fault of Big Ben. Clearly the OL and lack of #1 RB is a HUGE factor.

Actually, yes it does. Under Arians the Steelers actually were able to move the ball down field. The problem was Arians was not good in the red zone. This year, the offense did not give themselves enough opportunities to get into the red zone because they were more concerned with ball-control. They figured it's better to possess for a while and punt rather than score quickly and risk sending a tired defense back onto the field.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

Actually, yes it does. Under Arians the Steelers actually were able to move the ball down field. The problem was Arians was not good in the red zone. This year, the offense did not give themselves enough opportunities to get into the red zone because they were more concerned with ball-control. They figured it's better to possess for a while and punt rather than score quickly and risk sending a tired defense back onto the field.

Wrong!!! In 2006 under Whisenhunt the Steelers were 7th in total offense.

In 2007 under Arians the Steelers were 17th in total offense.

You are a fountain of misinformation, skewed logic and Ben idolatry.

The more control Ben got the less effective the offense was. Period.

The Rooneys are right. You are wrong. But then, their 6 Lombardis is a good indicator the Steelers FO knows what it is doing.