If not Ben, then who?

[lloydwoodson]

Sorry guys - it is the same underachieving offense year after year. The offensive coordinators are variables - the quarterback is the constant.

Top quarterbacks with new coordinators last year and the ppg their offenses produced:

Roethlisberger 2011 20 ppg 2012 21 ppg

Tom Brady 2011 32 ppg 2012 35 ppg

Matt Ryan 2011 25 ppg 2012 26 ppg

Cutler 2011 22 ppg 2012 23 ppg

P Manning 2010 27 ppg 2012 30 ppg

Rivers 2011 25 ppg 2012 22 ppg

Flacco 2011 24 ppg 2012 25 ppg

Romo 2011 23 ppg 2012 23 ppg

Rodgers 2011 35 ppg 2012 27 ppg

Conclusion: Seeing that only Rodgers offensive production changed significantly, if a team wants to score more points they are better off with a new quarterback than a new coordinator.

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

Sorry guys - it is the same underachieving offense year after year. The offensive coordinators are variables - the quarterback is the constant.

Top quarterbacks with new coordinators last year and the ppg their offenses produced:

Roethlisberger 2011 20 ppg 2012 21 ppg

Tom Brady 2011 32 ppg 2012 35 ppg

Matt Ryan 2011 25 ppg 2012 26 ppg

Cutler 2011 22 ppg 2012 23 ppg

P Manning 2010 27 ppg 2012 30 ppg

Rivers 2011 25 ppg 2012 22 ppg

Flacco 2011 24 ppg 2012 25 ppg

Romo 2011 23 ppg 2012 23 ppg

Rodgers 2011 35 ppg 2012 27 ppg

Conclusion: Seeing that only Rodgers offensive production changed significantly, if a team wants to score more points they are better off with a new quarterback than a new coordinator.

All those teams you mentioned aren't obsessed with ball control offenses - they actually try to score. I keep telling you that, but you seem incapable of understanding.

This is yinzer nation in the offseason:

"Ben don't gotta throw da ball more den 20 times! Gotta run da ball! Gotta rest da defense! Da stillerz dun't need ta score more points cuz da stiller defense will be well-rested!"

This is yinzer nation after a close loss:

"BEN WHY DIDN'T YINZ DO MORE! YINZ STINK! YINZ GOTTA SCORE MORE POINTS! BOOOOOOOOO!"

Don't demand the offense play ball-control and then go on demanding more points. Want more points? Gotta make some quick strikes and not worry about protecting the defense all the time.

[Ricco Suavez]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

You are a true hero, sir! You made it through the 80s with only the memories of 4 superbowl trophies! For this we all bow down in awe of your magnificent loyalty!

Once again you fail to see anything other than your agenda, Fan76 and others like myself have been through not only the 80's, but the 90's as well and even through the first half of the 2000"s. We have been through more QBs than you have had the privilege of seeing, we saw them actually play, not just a highlight real. We saw the Malones, Bristers, Stoudt, Bono, and Blackledge. We saw QB that if playing today would not compare to Cassell. You have no idea of what a bad QB is, even Kordell was good compared to what we saw in the 80's. You want to down Ben every chance you get by comparing him to 2 of the greatest QBs ever, not just today but forever, and while Ben is not either of those two he is better than anyone else we have, or likely to have any time soon. Get over it. Your not critiquing, your not offering real solutions, you are just on a witch hunt.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by Ricco Suavez

Once again you fail to see anything other than your agenda, Fan76 and others like myself have been through not only the 80's, but the 90's as well and even through the first half of the 2000"s. We have been through more QBs than you have had the privilege of seeing, we saw them actually play, not just a highlight real. We saw the Malones, Bristers, Stoudt, Bono, and Blackledge. We saw QB that if playing today would not compare to Cassell. You have no idea of what a bad QB is, even Kordell was good compared to what we saw in the 80's. You want to down Ben every chance you get by comparing him to 2 of the greatest QBs ever, not just today but forever, and while Ben is not either of those two he is better than anyone else we have, or likely to have any time soon. Get over it. Your not critiquing, your not offering real solutions, you are just on a witch hunt.

The Steelers had six winning seasons, one 500 season and three losing seasons from 1980-89. Their record was 77-75.

BOO HOO HOO! WAHHHHHH!

And only the memories of the greatest dynasty in NFL history to cling to.

BOO HOO HOO! WAHHHHHH!

The Steelers in the 80s were an above .500 team.

BOO HOO HOO! WAHHHHHH! POOR ME!!!!

[Ricco Suavez]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

The Steelers had six winning seasons, one 500 season and three losing seasons from 1980-89. Their record was 77-75.

BOO HOO HOO! WAHHHHHH!

And only the memories of the greatest dynasty in NFL history to cling to.

BOO HOO HOO! WAHHHHHH!

The Steelers in the 80s were an above .500 team.

BOO HOO HOO! WAHHHHHH! POOR ME!!!!

And you can write the stuff you do about a 8-8 season this year. And want to bash our QB after 9 years of winning football and his worst season has been 8-8, and Tomlin too. Just what would please you,oh spoiled one?

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by Ricco Suavez

And you can write the stuff you do about a 8-8 season this year. And want to bash our QB after 9 years of winning football and his worst season has been 8-8, and Tomlin too. Just what would please you,oh spoiled one?

I don't care about an 8-8 season. I know the effort was there from most of the team.

I am not whining about a losing season.

I am holding Ben accountable in the court of public opinion for failure to deliver his team into the playoffs.

Did Peyton blame his OC the last time he didn't make the playoffs? I don't know. Probably not but I would have to go look at articles from 2001 to check.

Peyton won a superbowl with a 26th rated defense. Roethlisberger has missed 3 playoffs with a top 5 defense.

I am not ragging on Ben for being who he is. I am ragging on Ben because he pretends to be something he is not.

The best qbs of all time have been game managers. I do not want a superstar qb. I want an efficient and organized offensed. The Steelers drafted Roethlisberger to be Troy Aikman not Drew Brees.