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Old 01-01-2013, 09:35 AM   #1
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Default An Apology to Arians! I Was Wrong!

I was as vocal as anyone at the end of last season in expressing the need for Arians to be replaced.

It is another year later and the offensive production is almost exactly the same.

This has caused me to look at where blame is being placed on the offense. I had previously believed that Arians was a poor fit for the team and that Roethlisberger would flourish under new direction. I was wrong.

I took a look at some of the other coordinators around the league. I asked myself: how much of an effect does an offensive coordinator really have?

I stumbled on an article from Bleacher Report. It named Josh McDaniels as the worst offensive coordinator in the NFL last year. McDaniels was the OC for the St Louis Rams in 2011. The Rams anemic offense produced only 12 points per game, rotating qbs as their underperforming starter, Sam Bradford, was injured. I wondered how much of that poor performance should lie at the feet of the OC.

I looked at where Josh McDaniels was this year. He received an offer from Bill Belichek to be the Patriots' OC at the beginning of 2012. Why would Belichek hire the worst OC in football if he is a football genius like sportscasters keep claiming? I found it odd... that is until I kept researching. It turns out Belichek was right and that the cause of the Rams offensive woes was not the OC!

With the Patriots Josh McDaniels offense score an astounding 36 ppg! That is triple what his offense had produced the year before! It turns out that having a star quarterback made all the difference! Josh McDaniels went from being the worst OC in football to being the best OC in football and all it took was a new quarterback!

In conclusion, I now realise that every OC does the best with what they have. Their error likely lies in the perception they have of their own talent as that determines their identity and game plans.

I am sorry Bruce. You did the best you could with what you were given- an underachieving QB, a shoddy OL and headcases for RBs and WRs. I am pleased to see that your new team is doing quite well under your offense, and wish you the best in the future.

Abashedly, Lloyd.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:48 AM   #2
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Default Re: An Apology to Arians! I Was Wrong!

Brady and the Patriot system for 2 reasons. Another is JMcD is very familiar with that system and Bady both, not hard to see why he has success with them. Thought even you could see that. BTW you were right in being wrong.
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Default Re: An Apology to Arians! I Was Wrong!

The difference is that the Rams don't have the personnel to win cause they are rebuilding. The Steelers do have the players to win, it's just that everybody, both players and coaches, were incompetent this year. Arians had a good offense to work with and blew it. He's still a good OC though seeing the job Haley did this year.

You are right though, the offensive players were a problem this year. It's important to note that when everybody is playing poorly, it may be the system. It's no secret to the casual fan that this team is not built for dink and dunk; maybe in ten years or so with a new QB and receivers, but not now.
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Default Re: An Apology to Arians! I Was Wrong!

While I am in the minority in thinking we give Haley one more shot, I have to say he is on very, very thin ice.

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So given the fans propensity to make harsh initial judgments, will we be having a thread like this next year for Haley after the team buys in and gets healthy?
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I'm sorry, did you just compare the St. Louis Rams to the New England Patriots? Let's break that down for a second. The Rams have Sam Bradford as their staring Quarterback and the Patriots have arguably the best Quarterback to ever take a snap.

It's not hard to call plays for Brady. Most of the time he'll just audible out of it and call his own plays. The Pats are most successful when they're in the 2 minute offense and Brady is calling his own plays and running the offense.

You have to realize that this comparison is ridiculous. Anyone could coordinate for Brady and put up fucking insane numbers. He's - in my opinion - the best Quarterback to ever do it and you're bringing up the fact that Ben can't put up similar numbers? For the love of God you have to realize that this isn't even a lucid comparison.

Here's the simple fact of the matter - Stats. Don't. Mean. Anything. Would you trade Ben's playoff wins and rings for Matt Ryan's stats? Or Manning's stats? He doesn't put up flashy numbers or insane yardage because he doesn't have to. He knows how to win games and knows how to come back in the fourth quarter to win games. We're going to forget all of this because of a down season? Really? People are paying way too much attention to numbers so I'll give you numbers:

Matt Ryan - 0-3 in the postseason

Peyton Manning - 9-10 in the postseason

Ben Roethlisberger - 10-4 in the postseason

I already know what people are going to come on here saying: "don't make team achievements personal achievements!!!!!!!11!" and I say nay sir. Elite Quarterbacks know how to win playoff games and championships - something Matt Ryan knows nothing about.

Is Stafford a better quarterback than Ben? I mean, he's put up some pretty good yardage in the last couple seasons. Should we trade for Stafford and shit all over Roethlisberger because he doesn't pass for 300+ a game? Or, should we recognize that we have a top 5 quarterback and stop bitching about him.

Also, Ben is an underachieving Quarterback? He has two Super Bowl rings. What the fuck else does this guy have to do to earn respect from the fans in this town? Ask 30 other teams if they want Roethlisberger and they'd jump at the chance. I'm in shock that there's a sect of Steelers fans that actually think like this. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Lloyd, we've started to agree on a lot of things recently but this is laughable.
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I'm sorry, did you just compare the St. Louis Rams to the New England Patriots? Let's break that down for a second. The Rams have Sam Bradford as their staring Quarterback and the Patriots have arguably the best Quarterback to ever take a snap.

It's not hard to call plays for Brady. Most of the time he'll just audible out of it and call his own plays. The Pats are most successful when they're in the 2 minute offense and Brady is calling his own plays and running the offense.

You have to realize that this comparison is ridiculous. Anyone could coordinate for Brady and put up fucking insane numbers. He's - in my opinion - the best Quarterback to ever do it and you're bringing up the fact that Ben can't put up similar numbers? For the love of God you have to realize that this isn't even a lucid comparison.

Also, Ben is an underachieving Quarterback? He has two Super Bowl rings. What the fuck else does this guy have to do to earn respect from the fans in this town? Ask 30 other teams if they want Roethlisberger and they'd jump at the chance. I'm in shock that there's a sect of Steelers fans that actually think like this. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Lloyd, we've started to agree on a lot of things recently but this is laughable.
I'll chime in, cause you all really wanted me to

IMO - Ben isn't under-achieving, he's just plateaued. If you want the offense to do more, he does in fact have to "tweak" something, and that includes his gun-slinging, live by the sword, die by the sword attitude. If you want the rest of his career to be Brett Favreish then rock on.
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While I am in the minority in thinking we give Haley one more shot, I have to say he is on very, very thin ice.

I am on record that I was not as happy with Haley as I would like, but I agree with you. Swapping OCs every year is no way to go. I defend Ben on a lot of things, but he is going to have to give a little and in turn Haley has to adapt more to the team, which includes Ben. If we had the personnel to play smash mouth football I would be all for it, the FO needs to back off their mantra of returning to "Steeler Ball" and go with what we have. I still believe in a somewhat balance attack, but it has to be balanced in how successful each part is. The running game needs to pull its own weight next year.
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arians was a freakin turd. 1 bad season from hailey doesn't validate 5 years of horrible game plans and play calling. blame the players and execution all you want , but then ask yourself why after 5 years of teaching / coaching the players still couldn't become efficient in running his offense ...
if you paid a math tutor for 5 years to teach your kid math and after 5 years the kid still struggled to put up more than a C on a test , were you getting your money's worth ?
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It's not hard to call plays for Brady. Most of the time he'll just audible out of it and call his own plays. The Pats are most successful when they're in the 2 minute offense and Brady is calling his own plays and running the offense.

You have to realize that this comparison is ridiculous. Anyone could coordinate for Brady and put up fucking insane numbers. He's - in my opinion - the best Quarterback to ever do it and you're bringing up the fact that Ben can't put up similar numbers? For the love of God you have to realize that this isn't even a lucid comparison.
Ha! You are on my side more than I am. You have just stated EXACTLY my point.

Your opinion is the Patriots offense succeeds because Brady is the best to ever do it. You even go so far as to say the Patriots offense is the best when no OC is involved whatsoever. How important is an OC come game time really?

My opinion is the offense of any team will only go so far as the personnel regardless of who the coordinator is and the most important player is BY FAR the qb.

You have just stated the exact same thing.

My point is that Ben is no where near Brady.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Also, in NO WAY was I condemning Haley. If he leaves then a new OC will oversee Ben's offense putting up the exact same numbers.
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