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Old 01-02-2013, 02:33 AM   #71
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I think people are quick to forget just how bad Arians was. Our offense was horrible down the stretch, for sure, but I really think it was more due to poor execution. There were very few times we called a play that I just wanted to gouge my eyes out over, whereas with Arians it was always the situational playcalling itself that always seemed horrible.
This begs the question of was there one common denominator involved? ie - Tomlin?

Arians at his worst was known for run, run, pass, punt. He was also was sickly infatuated with the 2.5 yard per play bubble screen. I've seen Haley call the same garbage. Is Tomlin vetoing? Is he saying no, let's pound it again up the gut? Lets do a bubble screen? The steelers have spent two years or so setting up the bubble screen so that they could fake it and throw to Heath, one of the best play calls of the year IMO.

I'll say this though. The Steelers last championship season featured the best complimentary and situational football that the team has ever played.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:57 AM   #72
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I am going to let you finish... but Kurt Warner had one of the greatest superbowl performances of all time!

Warner threw for 377 yds and 3 tds against the best defense in the NFL (the Steelers 2nd best defense of all time only to the 76 Steelers).

Roethlisberger threw for 256 yards and 1 td against the 28th scoring defense in the NFL.

Warner put up 23 points against a team that had allowed 13.9 that season.

Roethlisberger put up 20 points against a team that had allowed 26.7 that season.

If Harrison does not intercept that pass on 1st and goal from the 2 and score the game-deciding td the Steelers lose that game. He should have been MVP.
Wow! an opinion from someone who actually saw the game.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:30 AM   #73
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This begs the question of was there one common denominator involved? ie - Tomlin?

Arians at his worst was known for run, run, pass, punt. He was also was sickly infatuated with the 2.5 yard per play bubble screen. I've seen Haley call the same garbage. Is Tomlin vetoing? Is he saying no, let's pound it again up the gut? Lets do a bubble screen? The steelers have spent two years or so setting up the bubble screen so that they could fake it and throw to Heath, one of the best play calls of the year IMO.

I'll say this though. The Steelers last championship season featured the best complimentary and situational football that the team has ever played.
I think you're on to something here. I believe that more important than knowhow or ability are personal relationships. Specifically the relationships between Tomlin, Ariens, and Ben as well as that between Tomlin and the Rooneys have more to do with success than anything else.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:49 AM   #74
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It is now fact, I can't debate anymore. The defense has won every game and Ben has just been along for the ride, I mean its a shame that Kordell could not have been around to reap these benefits. I would of Loved to have seen O'Donnell have some of that pie too. Can you Imagine if Malone had a defense like this behemoth we have now. I was so wrong is thinking that QB had anything to do with the team wins ,just the losses, I feel so stupid, I now see the light. Thank you O' Wise ones, your words and reason are without peer.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:08 AM   #75
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I think Arians is a good OC, not a great one. I was never one of the "haters" although i was happy to see him go and i think Haley (as long as he's not offered a head-coaching job somewhere else which is entirely possible) will work out better in the long run than Bruce did. Arian's just wasn't a good fit here.

Funny now to see Arians as one of the hottest, some say the hottest, HC'ing candidates out there right now.
This is how I feel. Will be happy to see Arians be an alleged HC candidate, as he never was while in Pittsburgh. He can be the next Mike Mularkey, Dick Jauron, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels, etc.
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Roethlisberger will never do that. Roethlisberger's offenses have put up more than 23 points per game once in his 9 seasons. Every year it is 20-23 ppg. Nothing will change that.
Technically, it's not that they 'can't' do it.

As we all know, the Steelers failure to advance as an offense stems from a lackluster OL. However, a large part is also because they haven't fully committed to a 'spread' or 'west coast' attack (they're mixing new and old school passing schemes for average results).

If they went all-in and ran a DET, NE, NO, etc. style offense, with 4/5 Wide and/or 2 TE's every down, they probably could rack up 27+ PPG.

This is not to say it would be a good idea to do so, just saying.
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It is now fact, I can't debate anymore. The defense has won every game and Ben has just been along for the ride, I mean its a shame that Kordell could not have been around to reap these benefits. I would of Loved to have seen O'Donnell have some of that pie too. Can you Imagine if Malone had a defense like this behemoth we have now. I was so wrong is thinking that QB had anything to do with the team wins ,just the losses, I feel so stupid, I now see the light. Thank you O' Wise ones, your words and reason are without peer.
Kordell made 2 AFC Championships and Neil made a SB (and how many playoff games did Mike !@#$%^& Tomczak make?!), so...

They certainly did reap some benefits.

Ben's clearly the guy who got the Steelers over the top (TWICE---thank God!), but he has benefitted from a solid situation. It's not unfair to say as such.

That said and as far as comparisons go: he's more Troy Aikman than Joe Flacco.
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Kordell made 2 AFC Championships and Neil made a SB (and how many playoff games did Mike !@#$%^& Tomczak make?!), so...

They certainly did reap some benefits.

Ben's clearly the guy who got the Steelers over the top (TWICE---thank God!), but he has benefitted from a solid situation. It's not unfair to say as such.

That said and as far as comparisons go: he's more Troy Aikman than Joe Flacco.
Hey I agree, O'Donnell was another QB that has taken a lot of grief over the years but when he was at the helm he had one of the best years under center than many. Cowher let the team loose that year and it reaped benefits.
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Hey I agree, O'Donnell was another QB that has taken a lot of grief over the years but when he was at the helm he had one of the best years under center than many. Cowher let the team loose that year and it reaped benefits.
Not to sound 'anti-Tomlin', but man alive do I miss Cowher!

No way in hell would he have let this squad, as talented as it is, lose more than 6 games.

For twelve years he was shackled to QBs like Neil, Kordell, Tomczak and Maddox and he still managed to put up 115 wins and make the playoffs eight times.

As good as Tomlin has been, it's crazy to think what SGT Slaughter could have done the last six years with Ben under center and the rest of this bunch.

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Hey I agree, O'Donnell was another QB that has taken a lot of grief over the years but when he was at the helm he had one of the best years under center than many. Cowher let the team loose that year and it reaped benefits.
Why the need to blame coaches for single moments in football?

If O Donnell and Andre Hastings are on the same page and that INT isnt thrown, then "cowher doesnt let them lose that game". Cowher hate is a joke.

O Donnell had some great seasons, so to did Stewart. Dan Marino had some great seasons, but nobody blames his coaches for not getting him a Super Bowl.

Back to the thread. The Colts went from a playoff team in 2010 with Manning, to a bust in 2011 with Curtis Painter and now some are heralding Arians for getting them back to the playoffs with Andrew Luck?? The Colts actually got better in 2 seasons with one of the best QB's in the last 10 years...go figure.
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