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Old 01-03-2013, 07:29 PM   #101
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Default Re: Cardinals request to interview Todd Haley

There's no way Haley is leaving. Didn't he tell Tomlin his place was here in Pittsburgh?

Maybe that changes with an HC offer.

Norv and LeBeau would own, though.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:32 PM   #102
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There's no way Haley is leaving. Didn't he tell Tomlin his place was here in Pittsburgh?

Maybe that changes with an HC offer.


Norv and LeBeau would own, though.
Before the Bengals game he said he had no plans to leave Pittsburgh. Would you expect a coordinator to say otherwise while his team was in a playoff hunt?
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:33 PM   #103
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First off... If we tried to run our offense like NE or Denver... Ben would have been killed and we'd probably be no better then a 6-10 team. You seriously think Ben could run the offense that Brady is running? What on earth makes you think Ben can carry an entire offense on his own w/ a NE style offense? What has he ever done to make you think that? If you say won SB's... you are crazy... because those SB rings were not won by Ben.. yea he's a good QB... but he's not Brady or Manning... People need to wake up and smell the coffee... Ben is not in the class of Brady or Manning... they are passers.. Ben is a gamer..hes' tough...he's resilient.... he's not even Brett Favre...(which some of you like to compare him with) To say Ben is like Brett favre is utterly ridiculous.

you cannot just ask Ben to use his arm to win games.. and NOT only because Ben isn't accurate enough or quick enough with his decision making... because our O-line is not good enough to run that offense. Our O-line did start to gel around mid season...and we started to look damn good. Then the injuries happened. Also in case you didn't notice Ben was given the key's to the offense when he returned from injury... he failed miserable. Maybe injuries were a part...but the other part was the cast around him wasn't capable either.

Haley's offense looked pretty damn good early in the season. We didn't score more points under Arians style offense of swing for the fences every time you get the ball. I understand the thinking by Arians actually... when you have a HR hitter like Ben... try to hit HR's.... the problem is NFL defenses can slow that down...and they did. Ben aired it out often but we didn't score points. The Rooney's believe in small ball... Haley believes in that philosophy.. Ben doesn't. Until Ben realizes who he really is.. we'll struggle... if he accepts the philosophy we will win playoff games. It works...especially when you have DL's defense to help.

This was perfectly stated. This is one of the most insightful comments I have read on this board. Pretty good for a drunkard. You summed it up beautifully.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:40 PM   #104
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Whiz and Arians both got the team to the playoffs in their first years. No excuses.
Arians had a legit #1 RB that was leading the league in yards until he broke his leg late in the season. Other than that, 10-6 is about two plays separated from being 8-8, complete with our standard late-season collapse (that year to the Jags). We had an elite Oline that year, and despite all the complaints about the run, run, run offense Haley installed-- that is how you protect your QB. ben hjad his most efficient year with a descent running game backing him up (32 TDs and 7 INTs).

The Whiz inherited an already complete offense that just needed a franchise QB. Note, the success the Whiz enjoyed in the burgh was due to the fact he KEPT BEN IN CHECK AND DID NOT LET HIM RUN HIS SANDLOT THING. This pain point in their relationship was well known-- benji wanted more freedom but the mean ole Whiz would not let him have it.

Apples and oranges.

Haley was called in to fix a broken system that was racking in a record number of sacks each year and was already having problems protecting the Qb and opening running lanes consistently. He was asked to re-invent a whole new offensive system, whereas the WHiz and Arians both walked into ideal situations and just basically only had to add a few minor tweaks here and there to the existing system.

Give Haley the same Oline we had in 2007 or 2005, the same elite RB, and this conversation is not even happening.
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Plus, GOFOR7, throw in the fact that two of our losses this year can be laid completely at the foot of our 0 starting CBs against the Chargers and Cowboys, and Haley made the most of nothing.

You cannot blame the offensive coordinator for your defense throwing games, when his scheme is earning the league's 2nd highest ToP and keeping them fresh every game.
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I'm talking about Whiz and Arians when they were the Steelers OC, not as head coaches. So yes, very much comparable.
WHO WAS WHISENHUNT'S OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR WHEN THE CARDINALS WENT TO THE PLAYOFFS? I SWEAR YOU ARE THE DUMBEST SONUVABITCH ON PLANET EARTH!!!! HALEY AND WHISENHUNT JOINED THE CARDINALS AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!!!! AND THEY WENT TO THE PLAYOFF IN YEAR 2!!!!!

In 2007, Haley joined Ken Whisenhunt's coaching staff for the Arizona Cardinals as the team's offensive coordinator. Haley did not start calling plays for the Cardinals until late in the season.[4] The Cardinals finished in the top half of the NFL in multiple offensive categories.

Under Haley’s guidance, the Cardinals offense in 2008 was one of the league’s most innovative and explosive units.[2] Arizona tied for third in the league in scoring, registering a franchise-record 427 points (26.7 ppg).[2] The Cardinals were fourth in total offense, averaging 365.8 yards per game.[2] Arizona was second in the league in passing offense (292.1 ypg) and ranked sixth in the NFL with 20.5 first downs per game.[2] The Cardinals finished the season with a 9-7 record and a playoff berth after winning the NFC West Division title. The Cardinals went on to appear in their first Super Bowl in franchise history after the team scored more than 30 points in each of its three playoff games.
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Ben refusing to get along with Haley started before the season did.

Many of you claimed that everyone was making a big deal out of Ben and Haley not having met. It is obvious Ben does not like Haley. He has criticized his offense several times to the media. I do not know how Haley feels about Ben because he has acted like a grown man and kept his opinions to himself.

Haley did not call the plays for the Cardinals until late in the 2007 season.

Haley called all the plays for the 2008 season. The Cardinals ended the season 3rd in scoring and 4th in yards.

2009 Haley becomes HC of the chiefs. Cardinals offense drops to 11th in scoring and 14th in yards with the same personnel.

2009 Chiefs show no improvement from the year before finishing 25th in offense.

2010 Chiefs show significant improvement finishing 14th in points and 12 in yards with Matt Cassel at Qb!!! 10-6 record and make the playoffs!!! With Matt Cassel!!!

Matt Cassel!!!!

Matt Cassel had a career year throwing 27 tds against 7 ints.

His previous best was in NE in 2008 throwing 21 tds and 11 ints. NE has the best coaching staff in the league I thought?

Cassel had a better year with Haley in KC in 2010 than he did in 2008 with the receivers Tom Brady beat records with throwing for 50 tds!!! How many tds would he have had if he didn't throw 11 tds to Randy Moss!!!

Cassel had a better year with the now 2-14 KC team (which was also 2-14 while Cassel was throwing for 21 tds with the best offensive team ever) than the 16-0 NE team.

2011 Crennel replaces Haley midway through the season one year removed from the playoffs winning 2 of their final 3 games to finish 7-9.

2012 One year removed from Haley the Chiefs finish 2-14 with the same personnel.

AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT HALEY IS THE PROBLEM?
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:03 PM   #108
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I just don't know where all this talk of how good our offense looked before Ben got hurt. Besides the Raiders game we barely put 20 pts on the board.
Before the Week 10 game vs. KC the Steelers scored 21 or more points in eight of 10 games (19-27-31-16-23-24-27-24).

First eight games PPG AVG: 24 (191 total points)
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Last eight games PPG AVG: 18 (145 total points---6 from the Timmons INT)
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Plus, GOFOR7, throw in the fact that two of our losses this year can be laid completely at the foot of our 0 starting CBs against the Chargers and Cowboys, and Haley made the most of nothing.

You cannot blame the offensive coordinator for your defense throwing games, when his scheme is earning the league's 2nd highest ToP and keeping them fresh every game.
The defense blew games in 2009 which prevented the Steelers from going to the playoffs, yet Arians was blamed for it. And that year the offense was actually putting up points sans the Thursday Night Cleveland game. Arians also had to deal with an atrocious o-line that had trouble staying healthy. Oh, and Arians offense also was also always in the top of the NFL in time of possession.

Considering all that, and considering the fact Arians still got crucified - no excuses for Haley.

As for Haley's work in Arizona, ownership didn't handcuff him because of outdated philosophies. They actually let him play to their strengths instead of tradition.

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WHO WAS WHISENHUNT'S OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR WHEN THE CARDINALS WENT TO THE PLAYOFFS? I SWEAR YOU ARE THE DUMBEST SONUVABITCH ON PLANET EARTH!!!! HALEY AND WHISENHUNT JOINED THE CARDINALS AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!!!! AND THEY WENT TO THE PLAYOFF IN YEAR 2!!!!!
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Default Re: Cardinals request to interview Todd Haley

lloydwoodson, that is a pretty good argument and thanks for bringing up the numbers.

So what do you believe is the solution here? That Ben needs to shut up and actually follow Haley's playbook?

You may have expounded on this elsewhere, but I am coming late to this discussion.
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