PPG: Steelers Report: A Look Back At Disappointing Season

[Riddle_Of_Steel]

Originally Posted by GoFor7

Maybe not all of us are hanging our hats on a three game stretch for one season?

All the Haley apologists looks back to the games against the Bengals, Redskins, and Giants and say "Look! It worked!"

Really? It had nothing to do with the fact that the Bengals and Redskins were playing their worst football of the season (11 drops by WAS receivers in that game). Or the fact that the Giants generally start their mid-to-late season slump in November? Same could be said about the games against the Jets, Eagles, and the Ravens the second time - all teams that were slumping or beginning a skid.

Perhaps some of us aren't just ready to hang our hats on the Haley offense when you already have a QB that is 10-5 in the postseason, 3 SB appearances, 2 SB wins.

"But Haley will make him better!"

All those 3rd and longs early in the season suggest it was Ben making Haley look better actually.

6-3 is 6-3.

You only want to look at the overall 8-8 record when it benefits your argument, but then want to be granular and pull apart a 6-3 stretch, while being completely unwilling to examine the 1-5 stretch under the same scrutiny.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by Riddle_Of_Steel

6-3 is 6-3.

You only want to look at the overall 8-8 record when it benefits your argument, but then want to be granular and pull apart a 6-3 stretch, while being completely unwilling to examine the 1-5 stretch under the same scrutiny.

It is pretty unbelievable how often Steelers fans cite team records to claim individual players are better than others. I can see why other fans hate us.

I loved the "Charlie Batch" has 2 superbowl rings quote! So funny.

Ike Taylor>Darelle Revis! He has 2 superbowl rings!

Larry Foote>Patrick Willis! He has 2 superbowl rings!

Rashard Mendenhall>Adrian Peterson! He has 2 superbowl rings!

[GoFor7]

Originally Posted by steelfury02

If Ben made Haley look better and is so responsible for the outcome of an offense - Ben needs to do a better job of making people look better.

You can't make claims like that and then come back and say he has to do it because he's handcuffed. Ben is capable to improve - which he absolutely must do for the offense to become elite for once.

Actually, yes I can. When stupid plays are called on 1st and 2nd downs with the intent of possessing, and they fail, only then do they call on Ben.

Art Rooney is perfectly capable of not meddling with football operations, especially when a) he has Kevin Colbert, and b) he has a QB that won 2 super bowls already. Stop pretending like Ben has to change his game. Perhaps instead of bitching about Ben not conforming to Haley's offense, they should build an offense around Ben. Did you listen to what Bouchette and Dulac said near the end of the video, or did you cover your ears and go "la la la la la?"

Enough of the marty ball stuff - I've witnessed Ben go for the home run many times when all he had to do was check down, run to the open space 3 yards in front of him for the 1st down, and have seen Brown and Heath wide open for a 10-12 yard gain and see Ben take a sack cause he didn't have the time he wanted to go for the air raid. Ben has been responsible for getting sacked out of field goal range on at least a few occasions because he refuses to throw the ball away or take what the defense gave him. Sure - his skill set has produced some of my favorite memories of him - it is simply not enough anymore.

Maybe if they don't play Marty ball for most of the game, they don't need that FG at the end, and Ben is on the bench.

If he's so responsible for success of an offense - I'd say its a mixed bag - his skill set is something you are relying your whole debate on - and guess what - not 1 elite or even efficient offense has been produced from that skill set alone. He needs a coordinator to help him understand there is more to the QB position than guts. It isn't enough to get to where they need to go - he needs to take his game to the next level on top of the skill set he already has.

And Haley is that guy why? Because your emperor Artie said so? How about they build an offense around HIM instead of an outdated philosophy. Then maybe he'll be more successful.

6-3 is 6-3.

You only want to look at the overall 8-8 record when it benefits your argument, but then want to be granular and pull apart a 6-3 stretch, while being completely unwilling to examine the 1-5 stretch under the same scrutiny.

Two super bowl wins is two super bowl wins. Did that before Artie thought he knew something about NFL offenses.

[lloydwoodson]

And Haley is that guy why? Because your emperor Artie said so? How about they build an offense around HIM instead of an outdated philosophy. Then maybe he'll be more successful.

The Steelers are 60-40 pass. Passes to running backs were very successful this year. I don't see a problem.

The offense WAS built around Ben. The offense was completely built around him. The Steelers front office bet everything on Ben.

Ben has had Hines, Miller, Plax, Santonio, Antonio, Wallace, ARE, Sanders and Cotchery to throw to and the Steelers haven't built a team around him? That SHOULD be good enough for better than 21 ppg.

Meanwhile Ben holds the ball so long he makes his OL look like garbage and the Steelers end up spending 2 1sts and 2 2nds trying to keep him upright.



You said Ben was better than Brees. Can you tell us how much better he is? Give some examples please.

"Blah blah blah wins blah superbowls blah blah blah."

[steeltheone]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

It is pretty unbelievable how often Steelers fans cite team records to claim individual players are better than others. I can see why other fans hate us.

I loved the "Charlie Batch" has 2 superbowl rings quote! So funny.

Ike Taylor>Darelle Revis! He has 2 superbowl rings!

Larry Foote>Patrick Willis! He has 2 superbowl rings!

Rashard Mendenhall>Adrian Peterson! He has 2 superbowl rings!

Better than that, Dwyer is a great runningback

Our receivers are the best in the league

Pouncey is a pro bowler

Big Ben sucks??