The DL dilemma

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

Quote me where I said 'fire him'. I didn't say fire him, I said that his scheme is ineffective and predictable which, by players admission , is. Rivers and Romo both go for over 300 yards against our secondary? That's bullshit and shouldn't happen. Oh, it's funny, both of those guys are absolute turnover machines and throw picks like there's no tomorrow, but our secondary didn't get a single interception. Our defense didn't force a single turnover in those games.

Something's gotta give. Did it work 5 years ago? Sure. However, it started to fall apart in the Super Bowl against the Packers and we just haven't rebounded. Someone that knows how to use the talent that is given to them and generate turnovers and sacks would be appreciated.

However, all that said, I wouldn't hate it if he was around next year. I mean, pinning the lack of turnovers on LeBeau can only be credited so far and at some point, the players have to step up and be accountable as well. If around next year, his scheme needs to be updated and dusted off. Giving up all those yards to two underwhelming and borderline bad Quarterbacks isn't acceptable.

Both Rivers and Romo have better career passer ratings and better td-int ratios than Ben. But they are underwhelming and borderline bad quarterbacks? What does that make Ben?

Romo threw for 4900 yards this season- you think some other teams gave up a couple yards too? Is it a coincidence Ike Taylor didn't play and Lewis was hurt when the Chargers had their big game?

Think before you speak please.

[SteelersCanada]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

Both Rivers and Romo have better career passer ratings and better td-int ratios than Ben. But they are underwhelming and borderline bad quarterbacks? What does that make Ben?

Romo threw for 4900 yards this season- you think some other teams gave up a couple yards too? Is it a coincidence Ike Taylor didn't play and Lewis was hurt when the Chargers had their big game?

Think before you speak please.

You're really going to get fucking snippy with me?

How did Andy Dalton do today bud? Oh, he's legit, though. 14 / 30 for 172 yards and a pick makes him amazing. It's funny that you haven't responded to my other post regarding stats and why they don't matter, but I'm not surprised.

Get off your high-horse.

[pczach]

I think it's comical that some fans think Dick LeBeau is somehow the problem here. He is probably the best coordinator of all time, offensive or defensive. His scheme has covered up not having dominant talent, particularly in the secondary for much of his career. The Steelers are a big time pass rusher and a cornerback with ball skills away from being a great defense that also gets turnovers.Woodley can be that guy if healthy. If Harrison comes back and is healthy, they become monsters again. In the secondary, only Polamolu has good ball skills and actually catches the ball when thrown to him. If Lewis or Allen improves in this area, they will be very dangerous. I know these are big "ifs" when talking about health with veteran players, but this can happen with the guys we already have. Find a replacement for Larry Foote that is stronger at the point of attack with good coverage skills, and this team is scary good(I know, a Timmons clone. I'm allowed to dream).

[cbrunn]

Originally Posted by pczach

I think it's comical that some fans think Dick LeBeau is somehow the problem here. He is probably the best coordinator of all time, offensive or defensive. His scheme has covered up not having dominant talent, particularly in the secondary for much of his career. The Steelers are a big time pass rusher and a cornerback with ball skills away from being a great defense that also gets turnovers.Woodley can be that guy if healthy. If Harrison comes back and is healthy, they become monsters again. In the secondary, only Polamolu has good ball skills and actually catches the ball when thrown to him. If Lewis or Allen improves in this area, they will be very dangerous. I know these are big "ifs" when talking about health with veteran players, but this can happen with the guys we already have. Find a replacement for Larry Foote that is stronger at the point of attack with good coverage skills, and this team is scary good(I know, a Timmons clone. I'm allowed to dream).

Alec Ogeltree would allow Timmons to attack ALL the time , Since Ogeltree would fair much better covering TEs and things

[Hawaii 5-0]

Originally Posted by cbrunn

Alec Ogeltree would allow Timmons to attack ALL the time , Since Ogeltree would fair much better covering TEs and things

Ogletree was suspended for four games at the start of the year because of a failed drug test, do you think the Steelers are willing to overlook this fact?

[teegre]

Originally Posted by Hawaii 5-0

Ogletree was suspended for four games at the start of the year because of a failed drug test, do you think the Steelers are willing to overlook this fact?

Honestly, I don't know. Marvel Smith, Mike Adams... Alec Ogletree???

Was it for weed? or, Adderall?

If it's the latter, then yes (it's the performance-enhancer du jour).

[Hawaii 5-0]

Originally Posted by teegre

Honestly, I don't know. Marvel Smith, Mike Adams... Alec Ogletree???

Was it for weed? or, Adderall?

If it's the latter, then yes (it's the performance-enhancer du jour).

it was reportedly for weed...

[teegre]

Originally Posted by Hawaii 5-0

it was reportedly for weed...

Drat!!!

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

You're really going to get fucking snippy with me?

How did Andy Dalton do today bud? Oh, he's legit, though. 14 / 30 for 172 yards and a pick makes him amazing. It's funny that you haven't responded to my other post regarding stats and why they don't matter, but I'm not surprised.

Get off your high-horse.

Please wait for me to respond to the message you made in a separate thread in that thread.

Please do not chase me into other threads to argue unrelated topics.

Thank you.

[SteelersCanada]

Oh, man. I love this guy. Every time he types something I get a good laugh, like comparing stats and quarterback rating and determining whether or not that means success. That's some funny stuff.

Also, don't talk down to me and act like I'm some piece of shit you have to deal with. If that's how you think, fine, just don't condescend me. I'd appreciate that. I'm sure the rest of the forum would appreciate you not taking every single opportunity to bash Roethlisberger because it's getting old.

Before you try and act high and mighty on an internet forum, people were comparing stats. In the other thread, I was comparing stats. Unless numbers aren't related anymore, I'd say they're pretty similar topics.