Who to draft in 2013?

[cbrunn]

I really like what Alec Ogeltree could do for this defense .... not so much on blowing up the guard and run stuffing, but coverage and he's also an underrated blitzer ... but he would allow Timmons to always attack , which Timmons is so dangerous at doing,

Ogeltree could guard all TEs and so on, while Timmons attacks attacks attacks

Also could go with Timmons Ogeltree and Spence all LBs that could cover better fits todays NFL

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada

It's funny - every time I post something I come back to the thread, and holy shit, LloydWoodson has disagreed with me. Well, that doesn't surprise me.

So, you're lecturing me about a guy I've seen every game of but you admitted you 'don't watch college football'? No, that shit isn't happening right now. If you don't watch college ball, don't tell me what prospects are worth something. He isn't 'terrible against blockers' and needs to put on size and build strength - something I've already said.

Everything you just said about Jordan also applies to Barkevious Mingo. He isn't strong enough to disengage blockers but has the speed to get around them. Is this a joke? I feel like I'm living in the fucking twilight zone right now.

Here's a tip: if you don't watch college ball, don't come in here and add your two cents based on YouTube videos.

All I was doing was agreeing with WokeUp after you so rudely dismissed him.

The only comment I made regarding the two players was saying Jordan is terrible against the run- which you appreantly agree with- and that LSU players are better coached. Which you should agree with.

-Jordan played in a 47th ranked Wide 9 Oregon defense that went out of its way to isolate him 1 on 1 with tackles and even running backs. Jordan was almost never double teamed and on a lot of plays he made was actually unblocked. Oregon's DC actually employed an offense-like zone-blocking scheme on his defense where Oregon would chip the tackle blocking Jordan on some plays.

-Jordan is a former TE. He switched to DE in 2010. His DC at Oregon was a former RB and RB coach who switched to DC late in his career.

-Jordan does everything he can to avoid contact, including backing up for more than a yard to shed blocks.

-Mingo played in an 7th ranked NFL-style 4-3 that has produced more current defensive standouts than any other school in the NFL.

-Mingo comes from the 7th ranked defense in college. His DC was a defensive player who has 30 years experience. Mingo played linebacker in high school and has never played offense.

-Mingo engages blockers and has drawn criticism for not doing so well enough.

-Most mocks have Mingo going in the mid-1st (often to the Steelers) while Jordan is usually projected as a 2nd round pick.

I am not saying Mingo is responsible for his team's success- he had way more talent around him- I am saying he learned from better teachers and there is a reason top defensive players go to LSU so often.

[lloydwoodson]

He is an excellent edge rusher with outstanding speed and change of direction agility. He lacks the ideal frame you look for in an every-down end and could be limited to situational duties in the NFL because of his lack of bulk

He is a fluid and flexible runner who plays at a low pad level and has proven to be very successful playing off the edge. Even with his long arms, when he works in-line, he struggles to disengage when the larger blockers lock on to him.

He will make a lot of his plays coming from the backside, but when he gets too high in his stance, he will struggle to disengage trying to shoot the inside gaps.

Is this a fair criticism of Barkevious Mingo? Because this is actually the scouting report for DeMarcus Ware.

[kan_t]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

He is an excellent edge rusher with outstanding speed and change of direction agility. He lacks the ideal frame you look for in an every-down end and could be limited to situational duties in the NFL because of his lack of bulk

He is a fluid and flexible runner who plays at a low pad level and has proven to be very successful playing off the edge. Even with his long arms, when he works in-line, he struggles to disengage when the larger blockers lock on to him.

He will make a lot of his plays coming from the backside, but when he gets too high in his stance, he will struggle to disengage trying to shoot the inside gaps.

Is this a fair criticism of Barkevious Mingo? Because this is actually the scouting report for DeMarcus Ware.

It also looks like a Jordan's scouting report too.

The only complete package is Jarvis Jones. And the Steelers are not getting him. If they can stop the run at this stage, they won't be available at 17th.The upside of Jordan and Mingo both justify their mid-first round ranking IMO.

[lloydwoodson]

Originally Posted by kan_t

It also looks like a Jordan's scouting report too.

The only complete package is Jarvis Jones. And the Steelers are not getting him. If they can stop the run at this stage, they won't be available at 17th.The upside of Jordan and Mingo both justify their mid-first round ranking IMO.

Mingo goes to a 3-4 team and Jordan goes to a 4-3 team or I will leave this message board... forever!

They are not the same player. I don't care who says they are.

[BLACK_AND_YELLOW]

1. Alec Ogletree(Te'o would be a dream come true but he'll be gone)
2. Matt Elam
3. Montee Ball
4. Brandon Jenkins
5. Landry Jones
6. Marquess Wilson
7. Devin Taylor

im dreaming lol

[kan_t]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

Mingo goes to a 3-4 team and Jordan goes to a 4-3 team or I will leave this message board... forever!

They are not the same player. I don't care who says they are.

Relax.

[surcalifero]

We got to wait until after the combine to predict where players are gonna go. Yall foolz are trippin out who we gettin. Chill out...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Has Ogletree declared for the draft? Word was he was going to stay in school.

I personally think Jordan is a great athlete, but I'm not sold on him as an OLB in a 3-4. Think he is a 4-3 DE that needs some extra muscle on him.

Mingo I think is better suited to a 3-4, but may need to sit for a year and get coached up on the position, while he also adds some muscle. I still think Mingo and Skov would be a great 1-2 draft. Never gonna happen though, because I just jinxed it.

[cbrunn]

Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson

Has Ogletree declared for the draft? Word was he was going to stay in school.

I personally think Jordan is a great athlete, but I'm not sold on him as an OLB in a 3-4. Think he is a 4-3 DE that needs some extra muscle on him.

Mingo I think is better suited to a 3-4, but may need to sit for a year and get coached up on the position, while he also adds some muscle. I still think Mingo and Skov would be a great 1-2 draft. Never gonna happen though, because I just jinxed it.

Yeah Ogeltree declared

http://scoutingthegridiron.wordpress...-declarations/

http://www.draftcountdown.com/featur...erclassmen.php