We could lose 4 key veterans

[Quackjack]

Originally Posted by cbrunn

Not going to win a super bowl with these older guys ... their time has passed ... all your doing is delaying the future

Why does it feel like you guys want to abandon everything we've done after one bad season?

If we can't win with Keisel/Harrison/ect. anymore, than I sure bet we can't with Wallace/Bendthenfall/Hood. Fact of the matter is we only have a handful of good young guys.

[harrison'samonster]

the more I think of it, the more i can't wait to see what the younger players can do! I trust the FO, and I think if the price is right they will keep any of these players for experience and depth.

[austinfrench76]

I would ask this: What does anyone on the #1 ranked Defense, #1 pass, #2 rushing have to do with the end of the season??? We lost becasue of Ben's injury. It has nothing to do with them. They weren't where they needed to be at the beginnning but they rounded into shape. I would say theya ll need to get into the gym earlier but nothing to do with the end of teh season. Harrison and Foote will restructure anyways.

[Quackjack]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

the more I think of it, the more i can't wait to see what the younger players can do! I trust the FO, and I think if the price is right they will keep any of these players for experience and depth.

Keep Foote no matter what, Harrison if the price is right and Hampton only if you've signed everyone else.

Starks will be back most likely, we've been through this with him.

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by austinfrench76

I would ask this: What does anyone on the #1 ranked Defense, #1 pass, #2 rushing have to do with the end of the season??? We lost becasue of Ben's injury. It has nothing to do with them. They weren't where they needed to be at the beginnning but they rounded into shape. I would say theya ll need to get into the gym earlier but nothing to do with the end of teh season. Harrison and Foote will restructure anyways.

I still think it all depends on who the FO see as a priority due to the money issues. If they think that the Defensive back-ups can step up, then the older players might be as good as gone.

I'd love to see them all stay and play at least one more year, but if the money isn't there, I'm afraid we might have seen the last of some of them.

In my opinion Woodley should be in this conversation as well.

[Quackjack]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

I still think it all depends on who the FO see as a priority due to the money issues. If they think that the Defensive back-ups can step up, then the older players might be as good as gone.

I'd love to see them all stay and play at least one more year, but if the money isn't there, I'm afraid we might have seen the last of some of them.

In my opinion Woodley should be in this conversation as well.

Yup. Woodley is getting paid to much for his dismal performance as of late. I really, really want Harrison back too, so I hope they can cut their pay checks.

[sloppyjoe]

we nned to lose a few more too, well at least their cap numbers

[teegre]

STARKS: Underrated. I'd like to see him back, but if not, I think that Gilbert might be ready.

KEISEL: He's heading towards that cliff (the one that Hines Ward fell off of). If it comes down to "resigning Lewis" or "keep The Beard"... sorry Keisel.

FOOTE: Played well, but I think Spence is an upgrade. Good-bye, man... unless you take the vet minimum (as a back-up).

HARRISON: Towards the end of the year, showed some of the old Harrison. Cutting him only saves $1.5 million (of a $6.5 million cap hit). So, why not keep him. [Note: My figures are not exact, but close enough to make the point.]

HAMPTON: Personally, I think he should have been gone three tears ago. So, absolutely show him the door.

[cbrunn]

Posted this in another thread ... but it fits here too ...

keep holding onto the past and your future falls through your fingers

Clark - 33 yrs old - Stepped up this year ... but his time is coming, thankfully he never really relied on athleticism and more on his IQ and instincts...

Foote - 32 yrs old - Foote had a OK year this year with tackles , but He got burned in pass coverage wayyyyyy to much for the new NFL ... overall I wouldn't mind having him back if the price was right and only for a backup

Hampton - 35 yrs old - Boooo , Mclendon played better than him all year when given a chance ... Thanks Hampton but your time is up

Harrison - 34 yrs old - 6 Sacks , was he even on the field?? , Worilds had 5 with I'm guessing not even half as much playing time ... Thanks James but your run is over

Keisel - 34 yrs old - Overal not a bad year, but cost us with a couple of offsides, and with 1st round picks spent on taking over his position ... you have to let the 1st rounder take over, not just let them Rot on the bench for loyalty ... would really rather him not be back , but My guess is he will be and that'll be another year a 1st round pick is rotting away on the bench

Troy - 31 yrs old - Everybody and their mom agrees a shell of his former self ... He'll be back unless he retires ... Hopefully can stay healthy but I would rather have his money back on the books to have options to sign a younger play maker like Mike Wallace or whatever

Miller - 30 yrs old - coming off tearing his knee up - Great year , Great Player , but doubt he'll be ready for the beginning of the season

Woodley - 27 yrs old - Threw him on here because he got his big contract and seem like he doesn't care anymore ... GET INTO SHAPE

I'm sorry but they are in a rebuilding/reloading stage ... and they have been in the draft in the past years getting ready for this change ... but they won't let the players play because the older not productive anymore players are still around...

Keisel (Heyward , production doesn't drop off any from the switch)
Hampton (Mcclendon, production goes up with the switch)
Harrison (Worilds, Carter ... production doesn't drop , maybe goes up with the switch)
Foote ( Sly, Spence ... I don't think production drops much, and get a better pass coverage with the switch)

[Quackjack]

Originally Posted by cbrunn

Posted this in another thread ... but it fits here too ...

keep holding onto the past and your future falls through your fingers

Clark - 33 yrs old - Stepped up this year ... but his time is coming, thankfully he never really relied on athleticism and more on his IQ and instincts...

Foote - 32 yrs old - Foote had a OK year this year with tackles , but He got burned in pass coverage wayyyyyy to much for the new NFL ... overall I wouldn't mind having him back if the price was right and only for a backup

Hampton - 35 yrs old - Boooo , Mclendon played better than him all year when given a chance ... Thanks Hampton but your time is up

Harrison - 34 yrs old - 6 Sacks , was he even on the field?? , Worilds had 5 with I'm guessing not even half as much playing time ... Thanks James but your run is over

Keisel - 34 yrs old - Overal not a bad year, but cost us with a couple of offsides, and with 1st round picks spent on taking over his position ... you have to let the 1st rounder take over, not just let them Rot on the bench for loyalty ... would really rather him not be back , but My guess is he will be and that'll be another year a 1st round pick is rotting away on the bench

Troy - 31 yrs old - Everybody and their mom agrees a shell of his former self ... He'll be back unless he retires ... Hopefully can stay healthy but I would rather have his money back on the books to have options to sign a younger play maker like Mike Wallace or whatever

Miller - 30 yrs old - coming off tearing his knee up - Great year , Great Player , but doubt he'll be ready for the beginning of the season

Woodley - 27 yrs old - Threw him on here because he got his big contract and seem like he doesn't care anymore ... GET INTO SHAPE

I'm sorry but they are in a rebuilding/reloading stage ... and they have been in the draft in the past years getting ready for this change ... but they won't let the players play because the older not productive anymore players are still around...

Keisel (Heyward , production doesn't drop off any from the switch)
Hampton (Mcclendon, production goes up with the switch)
Harrison (Worilds, Carter ... production doesn't drop , maybe goes up with the switch)
Foote ( Sly, Spence ... I don't think production drops much, and get a better pass coverage with the switch)

Ok, Keisel and Clark played lights out. Leave them alone.