Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2013 Goal: $400.00 - To Date: $00.00 (00.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Steelers Football > Pittsburgh Steelers


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers Steelers - Referees    Browns

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-10-2013, 04:30 PM   #21
steelfury02
Wing Kong Exchange - CEO
Supporter
 
steelfury02's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,102
Member Number: 6076
Thanks: 3,523
Thanked 3,443 Times in 1,635 Posts
My Mood: Fine
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre View Post
Actually, I think that mentioning Cowher actually points to two huge factors (that are currently missing):

1) No running game. Cowher had The Bus. The Steelers could close out games better than anyone... via killing the clock.

I remember a game against the Browns, where Bam Morris ran the ball like 13 straight times, taking 6 minutes off of the clock... and the Steelers knelt down on the 6 yard line in victory formation.

Likewise, I rememebr a game agains the Titans, where FWP ran the ball 22 straight times in the fourth quarter, to kill the clock.

This O-line was far too injured to accomlish such feats.

2) No pressure. I remember being up 10 points, and when the prevent defense was put into affect, LeBeau would also unleash Greg Lloyd (or Joey Porter)... and the OLB would always (ALWAYS) get a crucial sack (making it third and looong) or get the strip-sack.

Alas, Harrison was not "Harrison" for the first half of the season (i.e. in the Tennessee & Oakland games). And, Woodley is nearly 320 pounds. In turn, no pressure.
The only pressure Woodley is creating is on his belt buckle.
Woodley: Mmmmm, Belt buuucckle
__________________

Insanity or In-sahn-naha-teh
is what the the Iro-quois used
meaning "severe personnel problems".
Look it up. No? No, I'm right.
Agree to disagree.
steelfury02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2013, 05:04 PM   #22
FrancoLambert
Head Coach
 
FrancoLambert's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: tony soprano's neighborhood
Posts: 1,884
Gender: Male
Member Number: 20827
Thanks: 1,629
Thanked 1,478 Times in 772 Posts
My Mood: Breezy
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelfury02 View Post
The only pressure Woodley is creating is on his belt buckle.
Woodley: Mmmmm, Belt buuucckle


Recently saw tape of him on NFL network about 2008 season.
He easily looks 25 pounds heavier now if not more.
He had quickness for a big man...no more.
FrancoLambert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2013, 05:18 PM   #23
NSMaster56
Team Owner
 
NSMaster56's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 2,659
Gender: Male
Member Number: 23979
Thanks: 5,744
Thanked 3,206 Times in 1,477 Posts
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Not sure that 'playing scared' is the right term.

More objectively, the Steelers play 'conservative' football for sure and said style does bite them in the arse more often than not.

On one hand, this 'keeps them in' every game and usually avoids blowout losses. However, on the other it keeps them from definitively beating their opponents, too.

Overall, it is frustrating and appears to be a fixable 'problem'.

EDIT: That was a horribly dyslexic attempt at spelling 'definitively'.

Last edited by NSMaster56; 01-10-2013 at 10:18 PM.
NSMaster56 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to NSMaster56 For This Useful Post:
harrison'samonster (01-10-2013)
Old 01-10-2013, 05:28 PM   #24
GoFor7
Banned
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,353
Member Number: 24211
Thanks: 32
Thanked 94 Times in 75 Posts
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Quote:
Originally Posted by NSMaster56 View Post
Not sure that 'playing scared' is the right term.

More objectively, the Steelers play 'conservative' football for sure and said style does bite them in the arse more often than not.

On one hand, this 'keeps them in' every game and usually avoids blowout losses. However, on the other it keeps them from definintely beating their opponents, too.

Overall, it is frustrating and appears to be a fixable 'problem'.
It's mostly about their fixation with time of possession. They fear if the offense scores too quickly the defense will suck and they'll be suckered into a shootout. In reality, this close to the vest football has just put more pressure on the defense to keep the team in the game.

Lets look at where the playoff teams rank in TOP:

Houston: 1
Seattle: 4
Denver: 6
San Francisco: 8
Indianapolis: 9 (BOOOO! AIR-HEAD! BOOOOOOO!)
Atlanta: 10
Washington: 11
New England: 12
Green Bay: 13
Cincinnati: 17
Minnesota: 28
Baltimore: 30
Source: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...sion-net-of-ot

Only 2 of the 12 playoff teams ranked top 5 in time of possession. Obviously, Baltimore and Minnesota are outliers in the opposite direction and most teams that rank that low aren't in the playoffs. But what this would suggest is that if you trade some possession time for some points, being anywhere from 6th to 15th in time of possession isn't the end of the world.
GoFor7 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to GoFor7 For This Useful Post:
NSMaster56 (01-10-2013)
Old 01-10-2013, 07:00 PM   #25
Twentyvalve
Bench Warmer
 

Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 294
Member Number: 18796
Thanks: 6
Thanked 121 Times in 66 Posts
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Yeap, For this team, a simple sack, an interception, or even a recovery from their own fumble is a monumental achievement. Other teams, even lower tier teams, do those things on a regular basis. Last year I thought it was bad luck. This year I don't think it is luck at all. At any rate, we all just watched Baltimore make their own luck and quite possibly be one of the poorest teams to make the playoffs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by maddog78 View Post
It was refreshing watching the playoffs last week and seeing DBs break on balls and get INTs, DBs crash the pocket and knock passes down or sack the QB. Been a long time since we've seen either.
Twentyvalve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2013, 07:07 PM   #26
Steelers5895
Starter
 
Steelers5895's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 534
Member Number: 23994
Thanks: 6
Thanked 157 Times in 100 Posts
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

i dont think its a mindset or plan, i just think the talent isnt there to blow teams out and because of that, games are close.

if you were able to objectively evaluate the steelers position by position, the only place we may be better than 25 other teams are:

QB
C
S

again, i said objectively. there are probably 25 teams with a better 1 & 2 rb, 20 teams with better 1 & 2 wrs, 10-12 better TE, 20+ better tackles, 20+ better Guards, on and on and on
Steelers5895 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2013, 08:07 PM   #27
Fire Haley
Banned
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,359
Member Number: 763
Thanks: 53
Thanked 1,098 Times in 768 Posts
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

The defense has always played soft when trying to cover up for CB weakness for the last decade, that's nothing new.

Ben's aorta spooked the team and him, for sure. You could tell he played different after he got hurt.

The wife was probably changing his insurance policy, I could see how that would affect his game.
Fire Haley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2013, 09:14 PM   #28
teegre
Living Legend
Supporter
 
teegre's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 12,702
Member Number: 24108
Thanks: 16,449
Thanked 17,430 Times in 7,362 Posts
My Mood: Dead
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer View Post
The wife was probably changing his insurance policy, I could see how that would affect his game.
Dude, I have no idea what you're talking about. My life has not changed one bit since I got married. Oh crap... the "honey-do" alarm sounded... gotta go.
teegre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2013, 10:19 PM   #29
NSMaster56
Team Owner
 
NSMaster56's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 2,659
Gender: Male
Member Number: 23979
Thanks: 5,744
Thanked 3,206 Times in 1,477 Posts
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoFor7 View Post
It's mostly about their fixation with time of possession. They fear if the offense scores too quickly the defense will suck and they'll be suckered into a shootout. In reality, this close to the vest football has just put more pressure on the defense to keep the team in the game.
...

Only 2 of the 12 playoff teams ranked top 5 in time of possession. Obviously, Baltimore and Minnesota are outliers in the opposite direction and most teams that rank that low aren't in the playoffs. But what this would suggest is that if you trade some possession time for some points, being anywhere from 6th to 15th in time of possession isn't the end of the world.
Very true and well said.

The T.O.P. fetish is preventing them from maturing as an offense.
NSMaster56 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2013, 11:29 PM   #30
BowCatShot
Bench Warmer
 
BowCatShot's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 332
Member Number: 24236
Thanks: 19
Thanked 94 Times in 58 Posts
Default Re: The Steelers play scared

Keep in mind another factor to consider. The NFL and the tv networks love close games. That's what keeps the viewers glued to the tv watching those commercials that pay for the whole shebang. Regardless of what some other teams do, the Steelers are playing ball [sic] with the powers that be.
BowCatShot is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:09 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts