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Old 01-14-2013, 07:44 PM   #11
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My comment was directed to Neil-Still-Rules. He has BB over Terry.
I just think Ben is so much superior to Bradshaw. Bradshaw was a gunslinger who happened to be on one of the greatest assemblies of talent in NFL history. His statistics (particularly pertaining to accuracy and efficiency) are leaps and bounds better. He has better numbers as far as leading his team back from a deficit. The ONLY claim Bradshaw has is 1 more Super Bowl appearance and 2 more titles. And really, he only played particularly well in SB 13. Even still, he was one Jackie Smith drop away from losing that same game! It also so happens he won the MVP in 1978, so you could say his 1978 season was by far his best. Otherwise, his career numbers, including in the playoffs, were very pedestrian. Ben is a true franchise QB. He has the stats, the playoff wins, the clutch drives, and the SBs. Terry Bradshaw got benched in the middle of his career for God's sake!
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:51 PM   #12
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I just think Ben is so much superior to Bradshaw. Bradshaw was a gunslinger who happened to be on one of the greatest assemblies of talent in NFL history. His statistics (particularly pertaining to accuracy and efficiency) are leaps and bounds better. He has better numbers as far as leading his team back from a deficit. The ONLY claim Bradshaw has is 1 more Super Bowl appearance and 2 more titles. And really, he only played particularly well in SB 13. Even still, he was one Jackie Smith drop away from losing that same game! It also so happens he won the MVP in 1978, so you could say his 1978 season was by far his best. Otherwise, his career numbers, including in the playoffs, were very pedestrian. Ben is a true franchise QB. He has the stats, the playoff wins, the clutch drives, and the SBs. Terry Bradshaw got benched in the middle of his career for God's sake!
It's a tough choice, but I guess I would lean very slightly towards Ben. I still remember Bradshaw during their first Super Bowl year actually dropping to 3rd string behind Joe Gilliam and Terry Hanratty. After sitting and watching a few games, he turned his career around and became a great QB.
As an old-timer, my 3rd QB would be Bobby Layne, John Henry Johnson would have to be on the list and I always liked Benny Cunningham at TE.
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I just think Ben is so much superior to Bradshaw. Bradshaw was a gunslinger who happened to be on one of the greatest assemblies of talent in NFL history.
Roethlisberger also had one of the greatest assemblies of talent: Ward, Holmes, Miller, Wallace, Brown on offense and one of the best defenses ever.

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His statistics (particularly pertaining to accuracy and efficiency) are leaps and bounds better. He has better numbers as far as leading his team back from a deficit.
Roethlisberger's postseason rating is 83.7; Bradshaw's is 83.0. If you consider the fact that any passer rating over 80 was very good for Bradshaw's day and a rating of 90 was almost unheard of it shows that Bradshaw was actually more clutch.

The best QBs of Bradshaw's era had career ratings of Staubach 83, Tarkenton 80, Fouts 80 etc. You can't compare stats of the 70s NFL to now straight up.

Bradshaw holds the league record for most consecutive playoff games with 2 touchdowns at 7... he is tied with Joe Montana.

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The ONLY claim Bradshaw has is 1 more Super Bowl appearance and 2 more titles. And really, he only played particularly well in SB 13. Even still, he was one Jackie Smith drop away from losing that same game!
Bradshaw is 4-0 in superbowls. Nothing wrong with that.

Roethlisberger played well in XLIII but he was one 100 yard int return away from losing that game, and his performance in XL was the worst ever by a winning QB.

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It also so happens he won the MVP in 1978, so you could say his 1978 season was by far his best. Otherwise, his career numbers, including in the playoffs, were very pedestrian. Ben is a true franchise QB. He has the stats, the playoff wins, the clutch drives, and the SBs. Terry Bradshaw got benched in the middle of his career for God's sake!
Bradshaw being the league MVP can't be overlooked. Huge notch for him. Thanks for pointing that out.
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I can't believe that some folks actually mentioned O'Donnell in this thread.

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Alright Bradshaw played with 8 HOFers (and not to mention a HOF Coach):

Joe Greene
Mel Blount
Jack Ham
Franco Harris
Jack Lambert
John Stallworth
Lynn Swann
Mike Webster

Ben Roethlisberger has played with probably two:

Hines Ward
Troy Polamalu

(I refuse to count Bettis since Ben only played two seasons with him)

You mentioned the playoff efficiency stats but not the career marks. In that category, it is a monstrous difference.

Completion Percentage
Ben: 63.1%
Bradshaw: 51.9%

QB Rating
Ben: 92.7
Bradshaw: 70.9

Interception Percentage
Ben: 2.9%
Bradshaw: 5.4%
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I can't believe that some folks actually mentioned O'Donnell in this thread.

It's pretty hard to argue he is the 3rd best QB in Steelers history, and before 2004 it was pretty hard to argue he was the 2nd best.
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It's pretty hard to argue he is the 3rd best QB in Steelers history, and before 2004 it was pretty hard to argue he was the 2nd best.
Did you watch XXX???

I have never spoken or written his name since that day. Get it?

That's like saying that Jerry Sandusky was Penn State's third best coach.
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Did you watch XXX???

I have never spoken or written his name since that day. Get it?
Yeah, I remember the Steelers playing in the Super Bowl, something that had taken 16 years up to that point and took an additional ten years before they got back.

Also, it is worth noting that (for the one millionth time) Corey Holliday ran the wrong route.
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Yes, because throwing two INTs in the Super Bowl is extremely comparable to raping some little boys in a shower.
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Yeah, I remember the Steelers playing in the Super Bowl, something that had taken 16 years up to that point and took an additional ten years before they got back.

Also, it is worth noting that (for the one millionth time) Corey Holliday ran the wrong route.
He ran the wrong route... by 5 yards. But, that pass was 15 yards off-target.

Jerrah paid a huge amount for those two INTs.
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