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Old 01-14-2013, 12:30 PM   #31
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Passing league huh, so minnesota is a pass first team? Denver lost their RB in the first half and lost, no its not just a passing league. A team can still be successful running the ball. As long as they execute and stop making stupid mistakes. If the Steelers would have eliminated half the stupid mistakes (dropped passes, fumble fest, ST gaffs) we would have won the division. That is leadership, both players and coaches, other than injuries, that was the steelers downfall.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:25 PM   #32
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green bay also started to struggle on offense when SF started shutting down their running game. the run game will NEVER be obsolete in the NFL

even in a lot of these "pass-first" offenses, a lot of people overlook what kind of job the running backs did. the most prolific passing game of all time (the rams in the early 2000s), the biggest reason why it was so successful was because defenses had to respect the run game (faulk)

rarely ever will you find a very good offense that doesn't at least have a respectable running game, you can not be 1 dimensional in the NFL and expect to win games.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:54 PM   #33
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I will make a few points about ours or for that matter any teams offense. First it's a QB driven league, and we have a very good QB in Big Ben, the offense should go through him first. Second, a productive running game or at the very least a running game that can pick up short yardage downs are a QB's best friend. Third, offenses can only do so much in the face of penalties and turnovers, ST shortcomings, and bad starting field position. Lastly and this is for the Steelers mostly, we have to get away from the mentality of leaving it to the defense to secure wins, score and score often should be our new motto. Our defense while statistically #1 in most categories should not be dependent on holding leads every time or for that matter having our QB direct a fourth quarter comeback. We need to put our foot on opponents throats and put them away. I have warned many times that the Steeler ways is not scoring a bunch of points and has not been for some time, yet we do not have the type team to grind out wins with power and defense like Cowhers teams did so successfully. This team needs a new identity and it needs to find it soon.
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The teams that are running the ball successfully aren't using it as an excuse to sit on it and try to play ball control. They still try to score. That's the difference between those teams and the Steelers.
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green bay also started to struggle on offense when SF started shutting down their running game. the run game will NEVER be obsolete in the NFL

even in a lot of these "pass-first" offenses, a lot of people overlook what kind of job the running backs did. the most prolific passing game of all time (the rams in the early 2000s), the biggest reason why it was so successful was because defenses had to respect the run game (faulk)

rarely ever will you find a very good offense that doesn't at least have a respectable running game, you can not be 1 dimensional in the NFL and expect to win games.
That's what has been killing the Steelers Offense over the past couple years. Ben and Arians fell in love with the passing game so much they virtually neglected the concept and merit of a solid complimentary running game.

Like Stephen A. said, the 70's Steelers were not all Bradshaw to Swann & Stallworth, they had Franco and Rocky in the backfield as well.

The 2005 Steelers. People say that team doesn't win if the Steelers don't unleash Ben in the postseason, and that's true, but here's the idea. The Steelers were a widely respected rushing team. Their Running Game was FEARED. Opponents had to account for it. Opponents were EXPECTING them to run. Ben doesn't have the degree of success he has without the respect of the running game.
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FWP would likely have led the league in rushing if he hadn't broken his leg in 2007. FWP was a helluva RB in his own right.
Agreed, he earned every damn yard he got that year, because there were zero point shit (0.) holes for him to run through in '07, and pretty much every year following. Whisenhunt knew a guy like FWP needed a well designed run play to spring him, and concentrated a lot of effort in that area. You could tell immediately that Arians was not able to design effective run plays, and as a result Willie got pounded until he broke his leg.

So......what happens when you insert someone similar to Willie into that offense?
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How many times did Mendenhall get stuffed at the line of scrimmage versus how many times he ran for miles when he got outside?
Same result, except Mendy didn't seem to have the instincts or speed that FWP had. I honestly think that any OC with half a brain can come up with the offense that Arians did, and Haley could actually bring back some stellar running to this team, as soon as our O-linemen stop dropping like flies.
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That's what has been killing the Steelers Offense over the past couple years. Ben and Arians fell in love with the passing game so much they virtually neglected the concept and merit of a solid complimentary running game.

Like Stephen A. said, the 70's Steelers were not all Bradshaw to Swann & Stallworth, they had Franco and Rocky in the backfield as well.

The 2005 Steelers. People say that team doesn't win if the Steelers don't unleash Ben in the postseason, and that's true, but here's the idea. The Steelers were a widely respected rushing team. Their Running Game was FEARED. Opponents had to account for it. Opponents were EXPECTING them to run. Ben doesn't have the degree of success he has without the respect of the running game.
That 2005 XL team was the biggest example of "Ace up the sleeve" I have ever witnessed.All the talking heads and all the other teams were pointing to Jerome's day against the Bears where he trampled Urlacher and said the Steelers were bullies and that no one would want to face them come playoff times - they were going to run it right down your throat, play great defense, and you MIGHT see the ball after they get a 10 point lead. Then . . .out comes Roethlisberger letting that sucker rip and completely taking every single team off guard. The O's plan and execution, along with the element of surprise and trickery won Whiz that HC job. Very masterful plan. We will never have a situation like that again, but, we need a running game that softens things up and gets guys playing up on the line more often.
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Looking at this years patriots. I'd say it's prob their best offense to date only because it's not one dimensional anymore. Everything is not on Brady any more and even with key players being injured (Hernandez earlier in the year and Gronkowski now) they are still lighting it up with Ridley.
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