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Old 01-19-2013, 02:41 PM   #11
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Default Re: 3-4 to a 4-3?

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This thread has been coming up every year for the past 10 years on Steeler fan message boards. Believe it when I see it. Something tells me if LeBeau retires and Butler takes over......it still stays a 3-4.
every year ? this is probably the 10th thread started on this subject in the past year alone...
you'd think the defense was finishing in the bottom 10 every year instead of the top 10.
the problem is everybody thinks theres other teams playing great D every week. well who are those teams ? what 4-3 defense gives these guys such a chub that they feel the steelers need to emulate ?
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:01 PM   #12
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every year ? this is probably the 10th thread started on this subject in the past year alone...
you'd think the defense was finishing in the bottom 10 every year instead of the top 10.
the problem is everybody thinks theres other teams playing great D every week. well who are those teams ? what 4-3 defense gives these guys such a chub that they feel the steelers need to emulate ?
Que the "we should be more like -fill in the blank- because they won the super bowl" threads.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:07 PM   #13
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every year ? this is probably the 10th thread started on this subject in the past year alone...
you'd think the defense was finishing in the bottom 10 every year instead of the top 10.
the problem is everybody thinks theres other teams playing great D every week. well who are those teams ? what 4-3 defense gives these guys such a chub that they feel the steelers need to emulate ?
I agree with you, but the Giants run a 4-3 and they have a ridiculous front 7. The Pats and Bears run a 4-3 and they were creating turnovers with no problem and in fact, the Bears tied the NFL record with 8 defensive TDs. The Bengals run a 4-3 and they lead the league in sacks.

There is an argument to be made to switch to the 4-3, but we just don't have the personnel to do so, so at this time it's really a moot point. We'd have to draft a new interior defensive line with high picks when we could address WR, RB and S in the same rounds.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:21 PM   #14
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Default Re: 3-4 to a 4-3?

Dont fix what isnt broken. Some players may need replaced but not the scheme. Why change a defense that was top 5 in the league the last 6 years. In 4 of those years they were the #1 D in the league.
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I'm not sure why you change the style of defense we play when we have a top 5 D every year. Oh, and #1 last year. Not saying anyone is pushing for it but I don't know why we would want to change.
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every year ? this is probably the 10th thread started on this subject in the past year alone...
hey, you can never have enough 3-4/4-3 or Mike Wallace threads...
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Default Re: 3-4 to a 4-3?

I'm not for switching to a 4-3

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Neither am I for believing in our defensive rankings the past 2 years. When you don't get turnovers from pressure, sacks, INTs - you don't advance. Please - the Steelers don't give up yards, but they aren't wreaking havoc either. Let's be real about those rankings.
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There is nothing wrong with the 3-4 scheme. the issue is we have players who are underperforming in it. no pass rush from Woodley all year, Harrison non existant until week 13, the D line isnot able to do much and one ILB has speed.

when the OLB's are generating a pass rush it enables the ILB and Troy to blitz more effectively and it also means more turnovers.
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There is nothing wrong with the 3-4 scheme. the issue is we have players who are underperforming in it. no pass rush from Woodley all year, Harrison non existant until week 13, the D line isnot able to do much and one ILB has speed.

when the OLB's are generating a pass rush it enables the ILB and Troy to blitz more effectively and it also means more turnovers.
Did you close your eyes while you watch the games? In your statement almost all of the Steelers front 7 underperformed. But we were only the #1 defense in the country and the 5th best Run Defense. Harrison was very solid since the 2nd half of the season. He was one big reasons we looked so good as Ben was injured. And I don't know if you only consider pressure here by the D-Line or their whole game because they looked very straight in the Run game. The pressure in a 3-4 Defense should be normally created by OLBs. And of course in Lebeaus offense by the guys who're blitzing. So I don't your problem here at all.
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I agree with you, but the Giants run a 4-3 and they have a ridiculous front 7. The Pats and Bears run a 4-3 and they were creating turnovers with no problem and in fact, the Bears tied the NFL record with 8 defensive TDs. The Bengals run a 4-3 and they lead the league in sacks.

There is an argument to be made to switch to the 4-3, but we just don't have the personnel to do so, so at this time it's really a moot point. We'd have to draft a new interior defensive line with high picks when we could address WR, RB and S in the same rounds.
here's the "ridiculous " G-men front 7...
demarco murray - 131 yds
leshawn mccoy - 123 yds
alfred morris - 120 yds
isaac redman - 147 yds
alfred morris - 124 yds
bernard pierce - 123 yds
33 sacks ..... ...pittsburgh had a down year in sacks and still had 37

the pats D gave up an average of almost 100 yds a game more than pittsburgh

was anyone talking about the great 4-3 bears D last year ? the year before ?

how many times in the last 10 years have the 4-3 bengals D led the league in sacks ?

your cherry pickin stats to make your case . show me a CONSISTENT 4-3 defense ...not a bunch of one hit wonders.

and by consistent defense , i mean one that's in the top 10 in the league every year..... oh wait...that'd be dick lebeau's 3-4.

now go ahead and make your case for switching ....i'll be waiting.
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