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Old 01-21-2013, 12:40 PM   #21
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LeBeau makes plenty of on field adjustments. Ever notice how many times our opponent's 1st drive is fairly successful, but then nothing much happens afterwards??
You forgot to add "until the 4th quarter".

Lebeau's defense is historically known for giving up late leads. Starting with the Super Bowl against the 49'ers.

It happened against the Cardinals in the Super Bowl.

It happened 5x this years against the super great #1 ranked defense (total yards only) we had. Half of the offenses on this list are deplorable.

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Sure, he has 2 Super Bowl wins but
You say that so casually that it's laughable
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:56 PM   #23
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You forgot to add "until the 4th quarter".

Lebeau's defense is historically known for giving up late leads. Starting with the Super Bowl against the 49'ers.

It happened against the Cardinals in the Super Bowl.

It happened 5x this years against the super great #1 ranked defense (total yards only) we had. Half of the offenses on this list are deplorable.

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Championship defenses don't. i am not saying the defenses weren't good, but they are not championship defenses, when i say that i mean we won because of the defense. In all those runs, our defense didnt stand out. it did enough.

that being said, its not any type of defense that stands out so why not change it?

its gotten progressively worse and easier to move the ball on and does not come of with that big stop when needed.

its not a dominant defense

call me names, pick selective points to dwell on but the bottom line is this is not a championship defense, its a good one but not great and not worth the complexity that stunts the growth of all our 1st round picks.
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He's a defensive genius. His ideology needs to be updated, though. Not letting rookies start is something that needs to be fixed, especially if we draft someone like Dion Jordan or Sam Montgomery. If his scheme is too complicated for rookies to understand, then we have a red flag. Why does it take 3 years for a rookie to fully understand the key concepts and ideology behind his book, but 31 other defenses are easy to pick up and excel with rookies at the helm? It's starting to look like he's playing favoritism with his veterans, no matter how unproductive they are.

Also, don't punish success. Let the DEs and our NT blow shit up at the line of scrimmage - don't hinder progress. This isn't 2005 - the NFL has changed. DEs are no longer space-eaters and are athletic and agile enough to get around blocks and get sacks themselves. Asking them to be overweight but strong to stop the run is an outdated scheme.

Change the ideology or draft new personnel and change the scheme. Our guys are good enough to be putting up huge sack numbers, but are hindered and punished when they make plays. What other team punishes their NT for getting a sack? It's a ridiculous ideology.
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You forgot to add "until the 4th quarter".

Lebeau's defense is historically known for giving up late leads. Starting with the Super Bowl against the 49'ers.

It happened against the Cardinals in the Super Bowl.

It happened 5x this years against the super great #1 ranked defense (total yards only) we had. Half of the offenses on this list are deplorable.

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You are holding the Bengals inability to stop Joe Montana 30 years ago in the superbowl against LeBeau? You know that Joe Montana was pretty good right?

Steelers defense held the historically prolific Cardinals passing attack to 23 points and got 7 back themselves- and who won that game?

You are seriously including the Steelers giving up 6 points to the Bengals as losing the game for the Steelers???

The Steelers held the Chiefs to 13 points.

The Titans were held to 16 (unless you seriously hold the defense accountable for not stopping the Titans on a 1 yard TD drive).

Ike Taylor was out for the Cowboys game and Lewis was hurt too. Enter Golden and Victorian against the 3rd best pass offense in the NFL.

Do you people even watch the games? There were just as many injuries on the defensive side of the ball as the offensive side of the ball. The difference is the Steelers finished 6th in points allowed and 22nd in points scored.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:27 PM   #26
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You are holding the Bengals inability to stop Joe Montana 30 years ago in the superbowl against LeBeau? You know that Joe Montana was pretty good right?.
You completely missed my point. My sole point being that his defenses have HISTORICALLY given up 4TH QUARTER LEADS. I am not talking about the full games.

This was the first big one that caught some attention and then some people started to realize a pattern.

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Steelers defense held the historically prolific Cardinals passing attack to 23 points and got 7 back themselves- and who won that game?
So what? That doesn't change the fact the Cardinals scored 14 of those points in the 4TH QUARTER.

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You are seriously including the Steelers giving up 6 points to the Bengals as losing the game for the Steelers???
No, it wasn't the only problem. However, the inability of the defense to make any type of stop on the Bengals last drive in the 4TH QUARTER, allowing them to kick a field goal, is a problem.

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The Steelers held the Chiefs to 13 points.
The Chiefs going into that game had the worst offensive output since 1929. That's a hell of a long time ago. Again, when the game was on the line the Chiefs and Dan Marino drove right down in the 4TH QUARTER and tied the game to send it into overtime. Never should have gotten to that point. A great defense doesn't allow the worst offense in over 80 years to drive the field to tie.

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The Titans were held to 16 (unless you seriously hold the defense accountable for not stopping the Titans on a 1 yard TD drive).
No, I was referring to the 10 points the Titans scored in last 5 minutes of the 4TH QUARTER.

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Ike Taylor was out for the Cowboys game and Lewis was hurt too. Enter Golden and Victorian against the 3rd best pass offense in the NFL.
Every team deals with injury problems, don't make excuses. The Cowboys tied the game in the 4TH QUARTER, however, there was still 6 minutes left in the game, so it was unLebeau like to have the other team score with that much time left on the clock.

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Do you people even watch the games? There were just as many injuries on the defensive side of the ball as the offensive side of the ball. The difference is the Steelers finished 6th in points allowed and 22nd in points scored.
You can bang your head all you want but you completely missed my point.
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Lets go back 20 years, to Super Bowl 25 when offenses started to reall blow it up. I say this Steelers run, our defense is probably in the lower 3rd.

Here is my criteria. Did the defense dominate by getting sacks, turnovers, crucial stops and the game never really being in question. To me that is the difference between a championship defense and a defense that was part of the championship teams. They didnt let infirior teams in the game.

1990 Giants- yes
Redskins- no
Dallas 3 super bowls- yes
49ers in 1994- yes
Packers- no
Broncos for 2- yes
Rams- no
Ravens- yes
Patriots- yes rams, yes eagles, no carolina
Tampa- yes
Colts- no
Giants in 2- yes
Saints- yes
Packers- yes

All the ones I said yes to had crucial turnovers, sacks or held down a top offense.

I just never felt in any of these games they were going to clamp down, hold the offense in check, get the crucial sack or turnover. The defense never took control of any game. One splash play only in 3 games doesnt make a championship defense to me.
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We can all make statistics say whatever we want them to say..
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You forgot to add "until the 4th quarter".

Lebeau's defense is historically known for giving up late leads. Starting with the Super Bowl against the 49'ers.

It happened against the Cardinals in the Super Bowl.

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NEWSFLASH: We sucked in every phase of the game this year!
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We can all make statistics say whatever we want them to say..
right and statistics always rank this defnese in the top 5. reality its mediocre at best
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