Moss Talk

[zcoop]

Moss is more talented, unfortunately he played on lesser teams. Rice's SF teams were the bomb during his playing years.Moss had bad MN and OAK teams, (NE and SF after getting old). I still believe he's top 5 though.

[mikegrimey]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

never ever in this world will I consider Moss a better receiver than Rice. I don't consider him better than Ward, more talented, but not better. Dude disappears half his plays and is nothing but a cancer on any team he's on.

Never won a SB. He has a chance now, but while he's playing some small fill in role. Best reciever of all time? Not hardly.

I don't think Moss is better than Rice, but he's WAY better than Hines Ward. I love Hines, but he's not on Moss's level.

Also, Moss is not a "cancer" on every team he's been on, you can argue he was for the Raiders but he certainly didn't hurt the Vikings or Patriots. Hell, he's been a decent role player for the 49ers this year.
As for not winning a SB, well, football is a team sport and a game where moments, a foot or an inch can have a huge impact. If the Patriots stopped Eli Manning on that last drive in 2007 he would have made a SB winning touchdown catch, capping off one of the best seasons by a WR... but he didn't, that doesn't diminish his individual accomplishments in my opinion.

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by mikegrimey

I don't think Moss is better than Rice, but he's WAY better than Hines Ward. I love Hines, but he's not on Moss's level.

Also, Moss is not a "cancer" on every team he's been on, you can argue he was for the Raiders but he certainly didn't hurt the Vikings or Patriots. Hell, he's been a decent role player for the 49ers this year.
As for not winning a SB, well, football is a team sport and a game where moments, a foot or an inch can have a huge impact. If the Patriots stopped Eli Manning on that last drive in 2007 he would have made a SB winning touchdown catch, capping off one of the best seasons by a WR... but he didn't, that doesn't diminish his individual accomplishments in my opinion.

I would place Ward over Moss. Moss was a quiter, and he was a quiter his entire career, hence my belief that he was a cancer on every team he played for.

I'd take the player that tries to win every game over a quiter and a cancer.

I get the opinion that Moss is better because he's more talented and you can do more with a player like that, but to me it's not worth it. Moss can have all of his stats, I'll take the guy who's going to break a linebackers jaw.

[mikegrimey]

He only made the Vikings and Patriots better, he wasn't a cancer with them at all (first go around with Vikings) and if the question was "who is less likely to take a play off" or "who's a better team player" the answer would be Ward without hesitation, but if the question is "who's a better receiver" it'd be Moss just as quickly.

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by mikegrimey

He only made the Vikings and Patriots better, he wasn't a cancer with them at all (first go around with Vikings) and if the question was "who is less likely to take a play off" or "who's a better team player" the answer would be Ward without hesitation, but if the question is "who's a better receiver" it'd be Moss just as quickly.

I guess what I'm saying is between a player like Moss and one like Ward:

if my answer to the first question "who's most likely to take a play off?" is Moss, then my answer to the second question "who's the better receiver?" isn't going to be Moss.

[Fire Arians]

waste of talent, he could have been the all-time greatest if he had half the work ethic of rice

with that said, he was possibly the most talented WR to ever play the game. him or fitzgerald, it's close

[OX1947]

Moss is the second best wide receiver of all time. Jerry Rice is the greatest football player of all time.

[Fire Arians]

i think fitzgerald is better, but he's never played with a good qb other than warner. no team is going to ever trade him so he's stuck until he retires like barry sanders was

[Lady Steel]

Shut up, Moss. I don't know how some of these guys' egos can fit through the door. Yeesh.

[mikegrimey]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

I guess what I'm saying is between a player like Moss and one like Ward:

if my answer to the first question "who's most likely to take a play off?" is Moss, then my answer to the second question "who's the better receiver?" isn't going to be Moss.

I can see where you're coming from, but when it comes to being a better player I don't give A's for effort. Plays off or not, I think Moss was a far better receiver in just about every way compared to Ward.