Niners CB says openly gay players would not be welcomed on the team

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by jacobo

Why does this matter at all? He's a stupid kid who was forced to answer a shit load of questions on media day by reporters that were looking for a sound bite. They got it. Like it matters if he actually believes it or not. Real leaders on the team are going to make sure that mentality isn't used against any players.

why does it matter that a player wants others excluded just for who they are? And saying it so close to Jackie Robinson's birthday too.

How can you not see how much this matters?

[jacobo]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

why does it matter that a player wants others excluded just for who they are? And saying it so close to Jackie Robinson's birthday too.

How can you not see how much this matters?

Because he's a nobody who wasn't prepared for the situation and was speaking from the cuff. Nobody's going to care about his opinion. I read a great interview like a week ago with Wade Davis

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...gay-lives.html

"He's there to do a job, I'm here to do a job, it's not talked about, he's my brother, he doesn't treat me any different than anyone else does."

Sexuality means nothing at that level of sports

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by jacobo

Because he's a nobody who wasn't prepared for the situation and was speaking from the cuff. Nobody's going to care about his opinion. I read a great interview like a week ago with Wade Davis

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...gay-lives.html

"He's there to do a job, I'm here to do a job, it's not talked about, he's my brother, he doesn't treat me any different than anyone else does."

Sexuality means nothing at that level of sports

so because he doesn't have a big name and was speaking without thinking ahead, nobody care's about his opinion? That argument doesn't make sense to me. This story has been pretty big, some people obviously care about what he said.

I don't know how you can read that article you put up and think it doesn't matter that a player has said that a gay player wouldn't be welcome to him.

[jacobo]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

so because he doesn't have a big name and was speaking without thinking ahead, nobody care's about his opinion? That argument doesn't make sense to me. This story has been pretty big, some people obviously care about what he said.

I don't know how you can read that article you put up and think it doesn't matter that a player has said that a gay player wouldn't be welcome to him.

The media seemingly only covered this and the Lewis antler stuff during the entire week. Of course it's going to be big if they make it big. It really shouldn't matter

Davis said that the only reason he (speaking for gay players) don't come out to everyone (read: the media) is because they don't want to have that conversation. It's more of a social issue than football. He made it clear the players in the locker room know about his sexuality but don't care. That's all that matters at that point. Coming out to everyone would help the gay rights movement, but it doesn't matter in terms of team dynamic, and that's what this conversation's about.

The dude seems remorseful for what he said and leaders on the team are helping him get over this blunder. I don't like this story at all and think it shouldn't be getting coverage

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by jacobo

The media seemingly only covered this and the Lewis antler stuff during the entire week. Of course it's going to be big if they make it big. It really shouldn't matter

Davis said that the only reason he (speaking for gay players) don't come out to everyone (read: the media) is because they don't want to have that conversation. It's more of a social issue than football. He made it clear the players in the locker room know about his sexuality but don't care. That's all that matters at that point. Coming out to everyone would help the gay rights movement, but it doesn't matter in terms of team dynamic, and that's what this conversation's about.

The dude seems remorseful for what he said and leaders on the team are helping him get over this blunder. I don't like this story at all and think it shouldn't be getting coverage

It really shouldn't matter? Why not? The article you've brought up argues that people should be able to be accepted even if they are gay. This Culliver's come out and said that gay people wouldn't be welcome on his team, they should just get out. That doesn't help the team dynamic. The article you've brought up also brings up why it would be good for ppl to be able to be openely gay, and that this issue is about helping the gay community, not just team dynamics.

This player doesn't seem remorseful, but he's now just saying what they want him to say.

You don't like the story and don't think it should get coverage? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It really does matter, and it's important for people to understand that what Culliver said is unacceptable. It's bigotry.

[jacobo]

You want to talk about social issues at large? Fine, he's wrong in that regard. But this isn't about that. It's about the team. That's all this is about. That's what he said. They wouldn't be welcomed on the team. So bringing up the gay community is moot.

"Player doesn't seem remorseful", that's totally speculation. What makes what you said about him just satisfying what the front office wants to hear any more valid than me saying he was just caught up in the moment and was caught offguard with gotcha journalism?

"and it's important for people to understand that what Culliver said is unacceptable. It's bigotry" Nobody's denying he was wrong with what he said. But in the context of team dynamic (which is what this question was about), it doesn't matter. A gay player in the league who experienced it firsthand said it doesn't matter. He knows other gay players and presumably it doesn't matter for them. People on the team don't care about the type of stuff that Culliver said. Look at how Vernon Davis reacted. He wanted to help him understand why what he said was bad. That's what leaders on the teams do when stupid shit like this is said. It gets corrected without any need of media coverage. If strong leaders like him police the locker room and get rid of this way of thinking then gay players obviously are welcomed on the team.

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by jacobo

You want to talk about social issues at large? Fine, he's wrong in that regard. But this isn't about that. It's about the team. That's all this is about. That's what he said. They wouldn't be welcomed on the team. So bringing up the gay community is moot.

He's wrong in every regard. It is about the social issues too. Not just about the team dynamic. Bringing up the gay community isn't moot.

What he said is terrible and it's a big story because of it. If you don't like it, I don't know what to tell you other than help make it unacceptable for others to say similarly stupid things. That way you will be relieved of hearing about a story like this again.

[jacobo]

Everyone else is the one making it about society lol. He was speaking in the context of the team and a gay player possibly being on the team. He didn't say they should die, or get out of the country, all he said was he didn't want a gay person on the team. People like Wade Davis and Vernon Davis made it clear that that kind of thinking doesn't exist at large, or even when it does it quickly gets taken care of. Self policing

"it's a big story because of it." There are thousands of "big" stories happening every day that never get the amount of coverage that this has gotten. Way more important than this. What's the difference between the two? It was a slow week for the biggest show in the country and ESPN and the NFL needed something to fill their schedule. It's big because they made it big. Nothing more. Wade Davis came out of the closet about a month ago and I didn't hear shit about it on their network. That dude who stabbed his boyfriend who used to be a tackle for the Raiders didn't really get any coverage either. Why did this get coverage? Superbowl week and a slow week in news. You can only talk about the Harbaughs and Ray Lewis so much.

[Vis]

Originally Posted by jacobo

Everyone else is the one making it about society lol. He was speaking in the context of the team and a gay player possibly being on the team. He didn't say they should die, or get out of the country, all he said was he didn't want a gay person on the team. People like Wade Davis and Vernon Davis made it clear that that kind of thinking doesn't exist at large, or even when it does it quickly gets taken care of. Self policing

"it's a big story because of it." There are thousands of "big" stories happening every day that never get the amount of coverage that this has gotten. Way more important than this. What's the difference between the two? It was a slow week for the biggest show in the country and ESPN and the NFL needed something to fill their schedule. It's big because they made it big. Nothing more. Wade Davis came out of the closet about a month ago and I didn't hear shit about it on their network. That dude who stabbed his boyfriend who used to be a tackle for the Raiders didn't really get any coverage either. Why did this get coverage? Superbowl week and a slow week in news. You can only talk about the Harbaughs and Ray Lewis so much.

He was wrong about the team as the team made clear. He had no right to speak for anyone but himself. As for that, by his words he is known.

But the issue of an openly gay player on a team has been a news topic all year. Did you miss those stories? Of course this got ink.

[aa14]

Originally Posted by jacobo

Everyone else is the one making it about society lol. He was speaking in the context of the team and a gay player possibly being on the team. He didn't say they should die, or get out of the country, all he said was he didn't want a gay person on the team. People like Wade Davis and Vernon Davis made it clear that that kind of thinking doesn't exist at large, or even when it does it quickly gets taken care of. Self policing

"Self policing" sexuality in any other profession is called discrimination. It's universal discrimination. Just because some myopic dweeb thinks it doesn't apply to the locker room is irrelevant.