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Old 02-21-2013, 10:40 AM   #21
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It's entirely possible that he slides to the 38 - 40th pick and the Steelers trade up to grab him. It wouldn't take a whole lot, either, which is the best thing. Something like -

To Buffalo


2nd Round Pick
5th Round Pick
2014 6th Round Pick

To Steelers

2nd Round Pick
2014 7th Round Pick

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.
With the rise of John Cyprien (he is now mocked by most in the 25-30 range), Elam could slip into R2... although, I see him in San Fran. Even if he gets into R2, I do not see him getting past the Bengals at 37.

Side-note: I am not a big fan of McDonald. He's not bad, but there are simply other safeties I'd take in R2. That said, if McDonald was there in R4, I'd take him. (Make sense?)
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:59 PM   #22
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We should snag Jordan / Mingo / Moore in the first and grab McDonald in the second (Elam is off the board, sadly) and Rambo in the fourth. Boom goes the dynamite.
Using similar logic, but swapping the first two rounds for S and OLB, how does this sound?

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R1: S: Matt Elam, Kenny Vaccaro
R2: OLB: Corey Lemonier (Khaseem Greene)
R3: WR: Swope, Dobson, Hamilton, Patton TE: Escobar
R4: S: Swearinger, Rambo, McDonald, Williams (either one), Motta
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:02 PM   #23
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Default Re: Hunt for three key draftees heats up for Steelers

The Steelers were #1 total defense,#1 Passing defense but #14 Passing offense and #22 Rushing the ball. I understand that this years draft has an awesome crop of defensive talent but it seems that the Steelers need a lot more help offensively, allowing Lacy to pass the Steelers by seems flat out dumb. If the Steelers used #1 on Lacy and missed out on a DT or LB isn't the draft deep enough to find one in the 3rd or 4th? The team is well equipped at WR even after releasing Wallace but really could benefit from a TE,maybe I'm missing something
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:22 PM   #24
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The Steelers were #1 total defense,#1 Passing defense but #14 Passing offense and #22 Rushing the ball. I understand that this years draft has an awesome crop of defensive talent but it seems that the Steelers need a lot more help offensively, allowing Lacy to pass the Steelers by seems flat out dumb. If the Steelers used #1 on Lacy and missed out on a DT or LB isn't the draft deep enough to find one in the 3rd or 4th? The team is well equipped at WR even after releasing Wallace but really could benefit from a TE,maybe I'm missing something
1. The offense has youth. All of these starters are three years in or less (25 years or younger):
AB, Sanders, Pouncey, DD, Gilbert, Adams... even Beachum.

The three RBs (Redman, Dwyer, Batch), while not very effective, are young, too.

BB and Heath are the only two "old" guys.

2. The four "blue chip" O-linemen have NEVER played a down together. There is a lot of promise (assuming that they stay healthy). The thought is that if they play well, those three "average" RBs will be running through HUGE holes & gaining 4 YPC.

3. Lacy at 17: NO.
Lacy in R2: OKAY.
There is better value at 17 than Lacy... even on the offensive side of the ball. If you want offense, Chance Warmack & Tavon Austin are better players; heck, John Cooper is a better value than Lacy.

4. The drop-off between Lacy and (let's say) Gillislee is not very big... but, Gillislee can be had in R3.

5. The defense is oooooold. The safeties are both gone after this season. Harrison might be gone now. And, Foote... well, you've read those threads.
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1. The offense has youth. All of these starters are three years in or less (25 years or younger):
AB, Sanders, Pouncey, DD, Gilbert, Adams... even Beachum.

The three RBs (Redman, Dwyer, Batch), while not very effective, are young, too.

BB and Heath are the only two "old" guys.

2. The four "blue chip" O-linemen have NEVER played a down together. There is a lot of promise (assuming that they stay healthy). The thought is that if they play well, those three "average" RBs will be running through HUGE holes & gaining 4 YPC.

3. Lacy at 17: NO.
Lacy in R2: OKAY.
There is better value at 17 than Lacy... even on the offensive side of the ball. If you want offense, Chance Warmack & Tavon Austin are better players; heck, John Cooper is a better value than Lacy.

4. The drop-off between Lacy and (let's say) Gillislee is not very big... but, Gillislee can be had in R3.

5. The defense is oooooold. The safeties are both gone after this season. Harrison might be gone now. And, Foote... well, you've read those threads.
I like your point of needing a Saftey due to age.The defense is oooold buuuut the RBs suuuuck.Lacy appears to be a running back that the Steelers could use every down and in every situation for years to come. Lacy just plays like a Steeler
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I like your point of needing a Saftey due to age.The defense is oooold buuuut the RBs suuuuck.Lacy appears to be a running back that the Steelers could use every down and in every situation for years to come. Lacy just plays like a Steeler
Lacy averaged at least 5 yards before any contact, he won't get that at the next level esp with the steelers. Round one to high for him and he won't be there when we pick in second.
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I like your point of needing a Saftey due to age.The defense is oooold buuuut the RBs suuuuck.Lacy appears to be a running back that the Steelers could use every down and in every situation for years to come. Lacy just plays like a Steeler
"buuuut the RBs suuuuck."

That part made me laugh. Nicely played.

Really though, the running game comes down to two things:

1) Value. At 17, Lacy is not the best player in the board. While he might be the best RB on this draft, and he plays like a Steeler, trading back would be the smart move (if one wanted Lacy). Make sense?

2) O-line. During the NYGiants game, the O-line was at their healthiest... and they forced their will on the G-men. In other words, a dominating O-line makes any RB look good. So, one should focus on the O-line. (And, again, the four blue-chippers have not played a single down together. I think that you will like this new O-line.)

SUMMATION:
There are a ton of very good (albeit not great) RBs that can be had in R2-R5. Unless one trades back for Lacy (to 28), it would be better "value" to grab one of those second-tier RBs... to play behind a re-vamped O-line.
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Always room for another blue chip OLman.
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While I wouldn't scoff at us taking an elite OL in the 1st because we've neglected it for so many years before this recent stint.........You have to think the wear an tear on our safeties and horrible pass rush will make us go S or OLB before OL
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While I wouldn't scoff at us taking an elite OL in the 1st because we've neglected it for so many years before this recent stint.........You have to think the wear an tear on our safeties and horrible pass rush will make us go S or OLB before OL
It all depends on who's there at 17.

If Jarvis Jones, Ezekial Ansah (who, reportedly, they love), Chance Warmack, & Kenny Vaccaro are all still available... tough decision.

If all of the OLBs are gone, Vaccaro is gone, and Warmack is gone... who knows???

And, there are multiple combinations of some of those aforementioned players being or not being there.
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