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Old 08-21-2013, 03:43 PM   #1
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Default It May Now Pay More to Be on Welfare Than Get an Entry-Level Job in These 34 States

i've always said the only way to stop people from milking the system is to make it less appealing to them. the best way to do that is to actually make them work for it like its a real job.
i'm constantly seeing articles in the paper or signs where citizen groups are looking for volunteers to clean up trash or plant flowers and tree's around the city. the animal shelter is always looking for volunteers to clean cages and walk dogs. there are groups looking for volunteers to remodel and build homes for low income families.
but yet there are millions of people right now getting paid to lay on their couches all day and watch soaps and game shows. so why are volunteers needed when millions of people on the states payrolls are not asked to do anything ? why not create jobs for people you are already paying anyway ? it would be a win ,win for everybody. the communities get the man power they need to keep their cities clean and attractive to visitors or investors and the welfare recipients gain pride for actually earning the money.



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If it paid better to stay at home and not work, what would you do? That's a question being asked in more than 30 states.
Thirty-four states and the District of Columbia have made it more attractive to seek welfare benefits than entry-level employment, according to a new report from the libertarian Cato Institute.
"One of the single best ways to climb out of poverty is taking a job, but as long as welfare provides a better standard of living than an entry-level job, recipients will continue to choose it over work," said Michael Tanner, senior policy analyst and study co-author.
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The study, an updated version of the one released in 1995, is a comprehensive overview of welfare benefits in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The 1995 study found that benefits from various government welfare programs easily exceeded the poverty level and "their dollar value was greater than the amount of take-home income a worker would receive from an entry-level job."
Fast forward 18 years and little has improved. In fact, welfare spending has steadily increased at an unchecked rate, outpacing average entry-level incomes and making it more attractive in some areas to seek welfare over employment.
"The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work," the study claims. "Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour."
The feds currently fund 126 separate welfare programs, the study notes. Of these 126 programs, 72 provide "cash or in-kind benefits to recipients." Keep in mind these 126 programs are in addition to welfare programs provided at the state and local level.
"If Congress and state legislatures are serious about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, they should consider strengthening welfare work requirements, removing exemptions, and narrowing the definition of work," says the study.
The national unemployment rate is currently stuck at approximately 7.4 percent. So let's take a look at the top 15 locations in the U.S. where being on welfare pays better than having an entry-level job and their corresponding unemployment rates:
15. Minnesota
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 29,350
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 14.11
  • Unemployment: 5.2 percent
14. Nevada
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 29,820
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 14.34
  • Unemployment: 9.5 percent
13. Wyoming
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 32.620
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 15.68
  • Unemployment: 4.6 percent
12. Oregon
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 34,300
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 16.49
  • Unemployment: 8.0 percent
11. California
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 37,160
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 17.87
  • Unemployment: 8.7 percent
10. Maryland
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 38,160
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 18.35
  • Unemployment: 7.1 percent
9. New Hampshire
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 39,750
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 19.11
  • Unemployment: 5.1 percent
8. Vermont
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 42,350
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 20.36
  • Unemployment: 4.6 percent
7. Rhode Island
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 43,330
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 20.83
  • Unemployment: 8.9 percent
6. New Jersey
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 43,450
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 20.89
  • Unemployment: 8.6 percent
5. New York
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 43,700
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 20.01
  • Unemployment: 7.5 percent
4. Connecticut
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 44,370
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 21.33
  • Unemployment: 8.1 percent
3. Massachusetts
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 50,540
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 24.30
  • Unemployment: 7.2 percent
2. District of Columbia
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 50,820
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 24.43
  • Unemployment: 8.6 percent
1. Hawaii
  • Pre-tax Equivalent ($): 60,590
  • Hourly Wage Equivalent ($): 29.13
  • Unemployment: 4.5
A little over half of the entries on this list have above-average unemployment rates. Perhaps not high enough to claim definitely that generous welfare packages lead to increased unemployment - but one would be hard pressed to make the opposite argument. That is, for the states with high unemployment rates, making welfare more attractive than having a job probably doesn't help anything.
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So I can see if my state's on the list and where to sign up.
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Default Re: It May Now Pay More to Be on Welfare Than Get an Entry-Level Job in These 34 Stat

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So I can see if my state's on the list and where to sign up.
sorry , i thought i added it...

http://news.yahoo.com/welfare-pays-m...144812704.html
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i keep telling my wife we are fools for working. so far she is not buying it. maybe she will after i show her this thread
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As if this is in any way sustainable. Madness.
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Default Re: It May Now Pay More to Be on Welfare Than Get an Entry-Level Job in These 34 Stat

The problem with this thread is that "entry level" hasn't kept up with inflation. You starve making min. wage. Welfare is to keep people from starving. If you want people not to starve and not be on welfare, raise the minimum wage to a living wage.

And then throw in a workfare program and fix the roads.
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