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Old 10-28-2013, 06:41 PM   #1
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The defensive game of football is, and always has been won by pressuring the QB. If you can disrupt even the best- P.Manning, Brady, or any other QB from any other era; their offense will break down. You need look no further than the KC Chiefs. They went from winning 2 games last year to being undefeated thus far. They know how to disrupt the QB. Pittsburgh is one of the worst I've seen this year, and last year for that matter. You need some young guys and teach them the art of the pass rush, if they don't already thrive on it. OFFENSE: I have been a supporter of Ben since day one, but it saddens me to say "I can no longer make excuses". I know he has a bad O line, and he is chased around many times, but that throw that throw, and interception down by the goal line is representative of Ben. He is now a 10 year vet and if he can't throw the ball away on a play like that then he will kill this team when it counts most. AGAIN; I saw a receiver laughing after missing a sure catch for first down toward the end of the 4th Q. That tells me all I need to know about my beloved Steelers. They just don't get it anymore. I almost can't believe what I'm seeing when I watch this stuff. How did a team digress to this point in such a short time?! They must feel that there is no accountabilty, and no price to pay; That starts with the head coach. He can talk about UNLEASING whatever he wants, but all he's unleashed is a crock of crap. Been a Steeler fan since even before our winning started, and for the first time. I am ashamed; not to be called a Steelers fan, just ashamed of our current team. Again I say "I am from Mike's hometown", but he's just not the coach for this team if he can't at least put the "job loss" fear into his players.
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The defensive game of football is, and always has been won by pressuring the QB. If you can disrupt even the best- P.Manning, Brady, or any other QB from any other era; their offense will break down. You need look no further than the KC Chiefs. They went from winning 2 games last year to being undefeated thus far. They know how to disrupt the QB. Pittsburgh is one of the worst I've seen this year, and last year for that matter. You need some young guys and teach them the art of the pass rush, if they don't already thrive on it. OFFENSE: I have been a supporter of Ben since day one, but it saddens me to say "I can no longer make excuses". I know he has a bad O line, and he is chased around many times, but that throw that throw, and interception down by the goal line is representative of Ben. He is now a 10 year vet and if he can't throw the ball away on a play like that then he will kill this team when it counts most. AGAIN; I saw a receiver laughing after missing a sure catch for first down toward the end of the 4th Q. That tells me all I need to know about my beloved Steelers. They just don't get it anymore. I almost can't believe what I'm seeing when I watch this stuff. How did a team digress to this point in such a short time?! They must feel that there is no accountabilty, and no price to pay; That starts with the head coach. He can talk about UNLEASING whatever he wants, but all he's unleashed is a crock of crap. Been a Steeler fan since even before our winning started, and for the first time. I am ashamed; not to be called a Steelers fan, just ashamed of our current team. Again I say "I am from Mike's hometown", but he's just not the coach for this team if he can't at least put the "job loss" fear into his players.
Brown smiling after a drop got on my nerves as well. I'm not so sure the fear of job loss works with today's type of player - unfortunately between new league rules and the attitudes that exist, I don't see the fear of God working with these players either. I really truly believe that management also has a part to play in the current product - particularly scouting. I'm starting to wonder if the coaching has not caught up with what methods will work in getting the best out of players as I'm perplexed at the time it takes our new guys to develop versus some other teams. Combine that with the way things are set up - I just think we're closer to seeing more up and down play, a lesser product/watered down players, and parity.

In terms of body types and schemes, look at the way the NFL is changing because of what is being taught at the college level. It used to be that players had to adapt to the NFL - in many ways that is still true, but look at how things are changing to adapt to the modern college player. We're seeing taller, leaner, faster guys all over the field now. If you're getting beat athletically across the board, there's not much you can do.
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great reply, and I totally agree with your points as well. I don't have a clue about the inner working of the NFL, but it just seems; as you said; that the steelers can't seem to get the same results from their players than say New England does. Maybe Pittsburgh is still trying to do things the old way, and the game has passed them by. If that's the case, the it'll take one on the younger minded Rooneys to call the shots. I just don't know at this point.
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I understand where you're coming from, but coaches at the NFL level really aren't there to be disciplinarians. That needs to come from teammates, ownership, and the coaches. I hear a lot about Tomlin not getting the players ready to play and focused for game-day. Can we put that all on Tomlin, without seeing the inner-workings of the team? Have patience with Tomlin because hopefully the Rooneys will. If it doesn't work out that's an argument for a later time.

In the offseason we'll see people lose their jobs (and maybe earlier for some coaches), but for right now it's more important for the team to come together and find something that works.
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I can't agree with you about questioning our D and for that matter I don't understand why people even bring them up at all. They have played pretty damned good this year. Are they the 70's Steelers or the best in the league? No. But they don't have to be.

Every loss this year is on the offense. No question about it. You can't turnover the ball like they do and expect our D to play lights out. They are stuck on the field getting wore down and constantly put in shitty situations because of turnovers and our O not moving the ball and changing field position for us.
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I can't agree with you about questioning our D and for that matter I don't understand why people even bring them up at all. They have played pretty damned good this year. Are they the 70's Steelers or the best in the league? No. But they don't have to be.

Every loss this year is on the offense. No question about it. You can't turnover the ball like they do and expect our D to play lights out. They are stuck on the field getting wore down and constantly put in shitty situations because of turnovers and our O not moving the ball and changing field position for us.
There have been a few drives where they just couldn't get off the field, but the defenses overall performance from game to game is more than enough to help win games.

The offense has really struggled at times (yes I blame the O-line), but they have improved a lot throughout the first half of the season (yes I credit the O-line).

Special teams has been much improved over years past, except the punter. And as far as penalties go we're doing really good.

Back to the OP's point about discipline from coaches, I will point out that Coughlin is thought of as one of the toughest coaches, and the Giants aren't winning either.
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There have been a few drives where they just couldn't get off the field, but the defenses overall performance from game to game is more than enough to help win games.
Agreed. But we can't expect perfection either. They are allowed a bad drive here and there. The problem is that people expect them to score all of our points and hold every team we play to 0. It just isn't realistic.

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What we have to question though is how the team is behaving. We know from watching ours that are guys are foolish. They celebrate when we are down with a losing record, they keep certain people from playing pool and ping pong as if that would help and they continue to make tons of mistakes despite the talent level.
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What we have to question though is how the team is behaving. We know from watching ours that are guys are foolish. They celebrate when we are down with a losing record, they keep certain people from playing pool and ping pong as if that would help and they continue to make tons of mistakes despite the talent level.
true, and I hate the celebration in between plays myself, and to me it doesn't matter if we're winning or not. I think they should celebrate TD's while on the field, not 1st downs or sacks even. To me though, this doesn't tell us anything about the coaching staff. What matters is the wins, and if they don't win for an extended period of time then we know something about the coach, and Tomlin specifically.
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