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Old 10-29-2013, 08:00 AM   #21
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I'm starting to wonder if KC will be the new model. Get a mid level QB that won't suck up a huge chunk of your salary cap so you can spread your money better. You may not be buying your QBs jersey, but you'll overall out talent teams enough to have a shot at the SB.
IMO the KC model is to go 2-14 and then beat up on chump teams the next season with a weak schedule. That 8-0 would be a lot more impressive if a win over Denver was included.

I am waiting to bet against them in the playoffs when the competition is better and the top QBs are difference makers.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:54 AM   #22
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IMO the KC model is to go 2-14 and then beat up on chump teams the next season with a weak schedule. That 8-0 would be a lot more impressive if a win over Denver was included.

I am waiting to bet against them in the playoffs when the competition is better and the top QBs are difference makers.
I concur. KC's magical 8-0 season so far is smoke and mirrors in my opinion. Alex Smith is still a game manager who can't throw it deep consistently enough to strike fear into opposing defenses. He's a good game manager, similar to Trent Dilfer, or Brad Johnson. The proof is in the pudding. Look at Dwayne Bowe's stats this season. He's always been a deep threat for the Chiefs but he's barely seen the ball this year because Alex Smith is throwing everything 10yds or under. The offense in KC is also living off of the defense's success. Their defense is stout, and is giving the offense more opportunities to possess the ball. It's been a perfect storm for KC so far. Like you said, I'll be impressed if they beat a team like Denver.
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As I've said plenty of times: the Seahawks, 49ers, & Bengals had better win now, because they are going to have to deal with the salary cap in about two seasons.
The 49ers are going to crash and burn by 2015. Their 2012 draft is already a disaster, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that it makes our 2008 and 2009 drafts look good.
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I think the Steelers were hoping to get a steal with Jones but given their draft history since 2008 I doubt the rest of the league was so dumb that if Jones really was a long time starter he would have slipped to the 4th round. I know he looked good against Carolina in the 4th preseason game but that was against scrubs. But the only way to find out is to play him in a real game

If Ben gets hurt when the Steelers are around 4-9 in December it will be interesting to see if Tomlin decides to take a look at Jones.
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:50 AM   #26
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The trick is to hit the jackpot on a QB in the draft and for that matter draft well to have a complete team

On the Monday night game they showed a graphic that Seattle has 0.6% of its cap space tied up in Russell Wilson and 7 or 8 starters making less than $1 million per year. Rams had to pay Bradford under the old system and he is 10% of their cap space

The ESPN crew said the window closes on Seattle when all that young talent gets paid

Once the franchise QB qualifies for his 9 figure contract you need to draft well to have surrounding players or eventually enter cap hell by having older players restructure

Which is why you will never see a 70s Steelers or 80s 49ers team again that wins a bunch of rings with the same core - Steelers being competitive from 2004-2010 is impressive in this era, but not having to pay Ben initially helped a lot

But you cannot win in the playoffs without a QB so that is who gets paid
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the difference these days is the rookie contracts are so much cheaper - even for franchise QB's

you could afford to go through a couple before having to give them a big payday



Our salary cap situation is a mess next year. We have 41 players under contract which total $130 million in cap dollars.

Ben is due a huge pay raise and his $6.8 million prorated bonus isn't going anywhere.

Woodley will count $13 million, Taylor and Timmons will count $12 million, Troy is $11 million, Miller and Brown about $9 million each.

Cap hell isn't going away unless you totally clean house - and not just trying to keep an old team together with chewing gum and bailing wire like we've been doing the last 3 years.
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the difference these days is the rookie contracts are so much cheaper - even for franchise QB's

you could afford to go through a couple before having to give them a big payday



Our salary cap situation is a mess next year. We have 41 players under contract which total $130 million in cap dollars.

Ben is due a huge pay raise and his $6.8 million prorated bonus isn't going anywhere.

Woodley will count $13 million, Taylor and Timmons will count $12 million, Troy is $11 million, Miller and Brown about $9 million each.

Cap hell isn't going away unless you totally clean house - and not just trying to keep an old team together with chewing gum and bailing wire like we've been doing the last 3 years.
the Woodley deal has been the worst to date IMO
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Our salary cap situation is a mess next year. We have 41 players under contract which total $130 million in cap dollars.

Ben is due a huge pay raise and his $6.8 million prorated bonus isn't going anywhere.

Woodley will count $13 million, Taylor and Timmons will count $12 million, Troy is $11 million, Miller and Brown about $9 million each.

Cap hell isn't going away unless you totally clean house - and not just trying to keep an old team together with chewing gum and bailing wire like we've been doing the last 3 years.
As you note, the problem is the dead money for prorated bonuses if you want to let someone go

Based on his current contract, the Steelers cap number would go up by $580,000 if they released Woodley next season due to his bonus

Same with Timmons

Ben, Troy and Heath are the likely targets for restructuring - Ike restructured last week and IMO is gone after 2014

http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Te...lers&Year=2014
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The 49ers are going to crash and burn by 2015. Their 2012 draft is already a disaster, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that it makes our 2008 and 2009 drafts look good.
So true.
Which exacerbates their problem.

They are going to have tony Kaepernick... and as we all know, once you have to pay a franchise QB, you start to lose a few players here & there. And, without young, cheap replacements, they will either have to go with young, crappy replacements, or oveay for a free agent.

Ergo, if the 49ers are going to win a SuperBowl, their window will soon close.
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