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Old 01-07-2014, 10:59 AM   #21
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Cowher asked Lake to move to corner.
Cowher only won or made good decisions with Nolls players.

For those interested, Ike is scheduled to be in studio on NFLN this evening.
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Default Re: Ike Taylor's future with Pittsburgh Steelers

ike only seems to do well against AJ green
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New blood, please. Just let the guy go.
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New blood, please. Just let the guy go.
And replace him with who . . . it isnt a problem of him being past his prime, we all know he is, but name one rookie that you KNOW will come in and play better. You simply can't. Is there a FA we can pick up to play better that we can afford? The problem is we have nobody to replace Ike. I would love to have K Lewis instead of Ike, or any number of CB's out there, but we don't and sad fact is if we draft a CB, they will probably need a year to learn, so do we throw them in the fire and make our secondary worse for at least 1/2 a season, or do we keep Ike for one more year (don't single him on the best WRs, but use him like a normal CB with S help) and then let him go after the new guy has developed.
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Back to back 8-8 seasons. No one is safe on that defense, except Heyward and Worilds.
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Back to back 8-8 seasons. No one is safe on that defense, except Heyward and Worilds.
I would say Timmons is safe too...
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I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

Ike vs. Calvin Johnson: 6 receptions, 179 yards, 2 TDs

Ike vs. Josh Gordon: 21 catches, 319 yards, 1 TD combined.

Ike vs. AJ Green: 15 catches, 134 yards, 0 TDs combined.

That's a combined 42 catches for 632 yards and 3 TDs against All Pro receivers. All I can say is I'm thankful he didn't have to go up against Antonio Brown this year. It could have been ugly.
Calvin Johnson had a monster 2nd quarter. He didn't do anything else the other 3 quarters. Josh Gordon was literally running free all over the field and picking up junk yardage. You're also leaving out the time Green got shut down in his first game against the Steelers for only 41 yards.

I'm not saying Ike hasn't lost a step or that Cortez Allen isn't more athletic and a better playmaker at this point, but for most of last season and until Allen steps up next season, Ike is our best chance at shutting down the opponents top receiver and he usually does a good job.

When the Steelers go up against AJ Green/ Josh Gordon/ Torrey Smith next year, I feel pretty confident in Taylor's ability to keep them under 100 yards easily if he has safety help.
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Ike would be a great Safety IMO. I would love to see that and him take a pretty big paycut.
He's not a good tackler
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Ike moving to safety will not be the factor to break the camel's back - run-stopping and pressure pretty much 1a and 1b are

I love Ike, I think he would be an average safety and a "solid" upgrade over Clark. It can be looked at as a stop gap until they get the next guy.

The Steelers, with a NT of the future, Heyward, McClendon, Keisel/Woods/Hood and pressure from Jasom and Jarvis (2.0) can make teams 1 dimensional. If they get back to holding teams to 40-80 yards of rushing a game you'll see everything else look that much sweeter. It IS that simple. Now, yes, we also need a corner that will nullify the #1 guy. But really, it isn't about "shutdown" - a word I hate vs. #1, it is about tackling - if you can't keep up and can't tackle - it doesn't matter who you are covering - Ike and more importantly the Steelers would be better off with Ike there at the least at Safety and for emergency duties at CB
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Ike moving to safety will not be the factor to break the camel's back - run-stopping and pressure pretty much 1a and 1b are

I love Ike, I think he would be an average safety and a "solid" upgrade over Clark. It can be looked at as a stop gap until they get the next guy.

The Steelers, with a NT of the future, Heyward, McClendon, Keisel/Woods/Hood and pressure from Jasom and Jarvis (2.0) can make teams 1 dimensional. If they get back to holding teams to 40-80 yards of rushing a game you'll see everything else look that much sweeter. It IS that simple. Now, yes, we also need a corner that will nullify the #1 guy. But really, it isn't about "shutdown" - a word I hate vs. #1, it is about tackling - if you can't keep up and can't tackle - it doesn't matter who you are covering - Ike and more importantly the Steelers would be better off with Ike there at the least at Safety and for emergency duties at CB
Okay. So that means we go into next season with Cortez Allen covering their best receiver week in and week out and Will I. Am Gay as our starter... again....

If we still had Lewis, then I wouldn't be opposed to bumping Taylor down on the depth chart and using him in different ways depending on what was going on in game much like they did with Troy. But we dont, and since we need to take a corner in the top 2-3 rounds and perhaps another in the 5-6th rounds, Ike and Allen (if he steps up) are going to have to take on the responsibility of taking on and trying to shutdown the opposing team's top receivers.
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