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Old 01-16-2014, 09:09 AM   #11
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Default Re: Former head coach Cowher: Steelers tried stealing signals, too

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Every team tries to steal the other teams signals. Every single team.

The Taperiots used to tape the walk-throughs (which is the top fifteen plays that a team is likely to run on its opening drives).

In fact, Mike Holmgren used to script the exact plays that he'd call on the first two drives. Then, the team would practice those exact plays, in that exact order. Many teams did this (although, not to the same extent that Holmgren did).

And... if the Taperiots had tapes of teams running those plays (which is the issue... not the stealing of signals), then the Taperiots had an unfair advantage.
Right, explained it better than I could. The signals being stolen isn't the issue for me. That's going to happen. The issue is the alleged walk-throughs). I think Cowher here is just to play the party line and not come off as a sore loser. I don't blame him. As I said in the other thread on the topic, Spygate isn't why we lost those games but I do think it's fair discussion.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:31 AM   #12
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Default Re: Former head coach Cowher: Steelers tried stealing signals, too

I knew you guys were a bunch of fucking cheaters
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:04 AM   #13
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Totally not homerism.

en telling everyone for ages that Spygate is overblown as all hell, but noooooo I'm obviously a Patriots dick rider if I'm objective.
That's my honest to goodness opinion. If video taping the signals wasn't that bad, then why were the Pats fined and docked a 1st Round Pick? That doesn't happen especially to the Patriots unless you did something wrong. No homerism here.

There's no denying they cheated. They cheated and I'm sick of the NFL giving them cake schedules season after season. How about the good ol' tuck rule? Gave the Pats a win against the Raiders. So yeah I hate the Patriots, I hate their snotty fanbase that goes around talking shit, their HC that had his greatest success mysteriously when they were cheating and who has ESPN and the sports media sucking him off every chance they get when 99% of the time he either acts like a stoic, emotionless automaton or a petulant unsportsmanlike baby when things don't go his way.

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Default Spygate Questions

Bill Cowher stated recently that Spygate had nothing to do with the Steelers losing two AFC Champ. games to the New England Patriots in 2001 and 2004. However, the question of Spygate has always had a recurring theme with me. I know a lot of people out there who dismiss Spygate as being overblown and nothing more than a camera in the wrong place. However, there are questions about Spygate that have been mysteriously left unanswered (at least, from my perspective) since it has come out that has always left me curious and skeptical.

The first question I have always had was this- If the NFL came out and said the Patriots videotapes that they confiscated showed nothing (which they did say), ]then why did Goodell feel the need to destroy them? Does that not bother anybody else? Does that not defy any logical reasoning toward a conclusive investigation? If the NFL is trying to prove that the Patriots are innocent of any significant penalty or wrongdoing, why would the commissioner purposely destroy the evidence that would prove that? It just makes no sense to me.

Secondly, at the time, Goodell claimed that he destroyed the tapes so that the Pats “would not secure any possible competitive advantage as a result of the misconduct.” How could the Pats have any possible competitive advantage if they no longer had the tapes? And again, didn’t the NFL just say the tapes showed nothing? Doesn’t this statement make it seem like the tapes must have had something on them? And we’ll never know the answers, because Goodell destroyed the evidence that apparently showed nothing, yet for some reason he was concerned of the Pats having a competitive advantage if the got their hands on them.

Thirdly, Josh Mcdaniels and Steve Scarnecchia were a part of a videotaping scandal of their own when they coached the Denver Broncos in 2010. Are we to assume that two previous coaches of the Patriots being part of another videotaping scandal is merely a coincidence?

Fourthly, in this situation, I don’t believe in sour grapes. There have been a number of former players who have come out and said they knew the Pats were cheating. Marshall Faulk thought they did in Superbowl XXXVI. Hines Ward and other Steelers played have openly stated that during the AFC Championship games in 2001 and 2004, when the players would audible, the Pats defense would react to the audible just as quickly as the Steelers players would, as if they anticipated it.

My opinion: There was definitely something on those tapes that the NFL did not want getting out to the public. I think they felt if those tapes had been leaked, the NFL would have lost a tremendous amount of money and credibility, and every team would have suffered. The NFL destroyed the tapes, played it off as if it showed nothing, slap the Pats on the back with a record kind of punishment ($500k and docked a first round pick), and let it fizzle out. Just my opinion, want to hear what others think.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:12 AM   #15
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Default Re: Former head coach Cowher: Steelers tried stealing signals, too

Guys, this happened over ten years ago. It's no longer news. Nothing much good happens when you repeatedly pick at a scab.

We've all said what needs to be said about it, and any additional comment will not change the outcome of those two games, nor will it change anybody's opinion of what did or did not happen, or their feelings on the subject.
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Guys, this happened over ten years ago. It's no longer news. Nothing much good happens when you repeatedly pick at a scab.

We've all said what needs to be said about it, and any additional comment will not change the outcome of those two games, nor will it change anybody's opinion of what did or did not happen, or their feelings on the subject.
I understand what you're saying but the stench of cheating that helped the Patsies win 3 Super Bowls, that can and should surround that team for the rest of their existence. They won championships while cheating... No amount of time is gonna wash that away.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:35 AM   #17
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That reason is fine, but I'm tired of Steelers fans who are, blatently, harping on about nothing just because they feel they need to validate their hatred.

Just say you don't like the Patriots guys, no need to whine like Seahawks fans.
Whining?

When the topic is brought up, I will assuredly discuss it. If you don't want it discussed, then don't bring it up.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:36 AM   #18
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Default Re: Former head coach Cowher: Steelers tried stealing signals, too

Putting my Conspiracy Theory hat back on:

Coach Cowher is now an employee of the NFL and CBS, who has a frikkin' HUUUGE amount of money tied up with the NFL. Do you REALLY think Cowher would say anything that would "harm the shield" now?
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Apples & oranges.
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Default Re: Former head coach Cowher: Steelers tried stealing signals, too

Here is an analogy that works.

Bill Cowher admits that he has driven a white Bronco above the speed limit.

So, he's essentially the same as OJ... right?
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