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Old 03-04-2014, 08:28 AM   #111
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Maybe that's the plan. Push his price up so a team with a lot of cap space overpays him even more, so for sure we get a 3rd round pick.
Genius.

Really though, all that the Steelers are doing is what they've always done: pay for their OWN free agents.

I was fine with extending/giving big money to Troy, Ike, Harrison, et cetera... but, this feels like they're giving "Joey Porter money" to "Clark Haggans."

Like I've said, I hope that I'm wrong. I hope Worilds stays healthy, and has 16 sacks this upcoming season.
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soooo, eff you Lamar Woodley, then?
The writing was on the wall last season: when Woodley wasn't "guaranteed" his starting role back (even if healthy), I figured that he'd already been demoted behind Worilds.

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awkward how SI is putting it on paper - reads like March 11 at 11 pm? so 1 week to figure this out? right, wrong?
I think that that is when free agency starts...

Someone clarify all of this.
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Genius.

Really though, all that the Steelers are doing is what they've always done: pay for their OWN free agents.

I was fine with extending/giving big money to Troy, Ike, Harrison, et cetera... but, this feels like they're giving "Joey Porter money" to "Clark Haggans."

Like I've said, I hope that I'm wrong. I hope Worilds stays healthy, and has 16 sacks this upcoming season.
you mean 23 sacks in the regular season, followed up by 8 sack run starting in AFC divisional at Heinz, because we earned the #1 seed.

I think you meant to say that 16 was Jones' stat, with a 5 sack run in the playoffs - can't have it all in your 2nd season, except a ring that is.
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The writing was on the wall last season: when Woodley wasn't "guaranteed" his starting role back (even if healthy), I figured that he'd already been demoted behind Worilds.



I think that that is when free agency starts...

Someone clarify all of this.
Question - once you are tagged, do you fall under category of restricted free agent, if so, espn has a list of dates, including this:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/87...fl-key-dates-p

May 7: Deadline for prior club to exercise right of first refusal to restricted free agents.
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you mean 23 sacks in the regular season, followed up by 8 sack run starting in AFC divisional at Heinz, because we earned the #1 seed.

I think you meant to say that 16 was Jones' stat, with a 5 sack run in the playoffs - can't have it all in your 2nd season, except a ring that is.
Oh man... pardon my flight into pessimism. What was I thinking.

Duh, yes: 23, 8, and a Lombardi.


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May 7: Deadline for prior club to exercise right of first refusal to restricted free agents.
There's a different set of rules for restricted FAs, regular FAs, and tagged FAs...

It's "new math."
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Oh man... pardon my flight into pessimism. What was I thinking.

Duh, yes: 23, 8, and a Lombardi.




There's a different set of rules for restricted FAs, regular FAs, and tagged FAs...

It's "new math."
HAH! I see the separation, but like in most of my math classes, once we got into too many "factors" I stop paying attention and need it spelled out to me
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Actually, this was pretty brilliant. They can negotiate at any time including after June 1 when they can free up half of Woodleys dead money. In essence, Woodleys cut money can be used to front load a long term contract for Worilds.

Imagine getting 9 million out of the way on a possible 5 year 30+ million dollar contract. That creates cap relief down the road and if they cut Woodley June 1st, 8.5 million of Worilds 9 million used to be Woodleys money.

Year 1- 9 million
Year 2- 6 million
Year 3- 5 million
Year 4- 5 million
Year 5- 5 million

^^^^how you split it between bonus and base salary each season can create even more cap room.

At the same time, they dont have to make that decision for 6 months and get to see how Woodley looks in the meantime. This buys them "Worilds" of time to get a club friendly, fair deal on the better player. Pun intended.
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At least Woodley proved he could stay on the field that got him his big pay check. Wood made plays early in his career, thanks to Harrison doubles, but he still made them. The injury bug hit him and he is all but done. Happens to football players. It'll happen to others.

Some said I was crazy for thinking Worilds would get 10 to 11. I never meant a long term contract. Even the steelers front office doesn't know if Worilds is the real deal. Health? Versatility? Play through pain? Why'd it take so long? Let's put a tag on him, see what he can do. More production or more injuries? Either way in a transition period it doesn't matter. The guys they have now are important but they never took hold of the reigns instead leaning on the guys who had already done it. Now those guys are over and the next bunch, some, are taking their entire rookie contracts to get their shit together and expect big pay days.

The really important players haven't even arrived yet. Buckle down front office scouts.
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I don't think that it's that late. Unlike other FAs, players who are tagged (franchise or transitional) only have a certain window in which they can be signed away.

Does anyone know the exact date?
According to the latest press release by the NFL, that signing period for transition tagged players begins at 4:00 p.m. ET on March 22. Players that were issued the franchise tag, however, have a signing period that begins on March 11, the start of the new league year and the beginning of the free agent signing period. In other words, other teams can't sign Worilds to an offer sheet until 11 days into the start of free agency. Other teams, however, do have until July 22 as a deadline to sign Worilds to an offer sheet.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...ch_22/15919505

So according to this article Worilds can only be signed after teams have sorted through the free agent pile
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Ed.B. calculates the Steelers can get to the cap number by March 11 by extending Health (which Ed says is not yet a done deal) and getting Ike Taylor to get scalped on his current contract

By Worilds getting the big number, it does not bode well for Ike Taylor one way or another. Taylor is scheduled to make $7 million in this the final year of his contract. He’s not going to get that. They could release him, of course, and save $7 million. But no matter how you think he played last season, they have no depth at cornerback. They could ask him to take $2-$3 million and shave their cap by another $4-5 million. Let’s say Taylor takes the $3 million salary and Miller gets the contract extension I suggested above (merely pulled out of a hat, by the way, with no knowledge of their negotiations with Condon).

Those two things would create $6 million in cap space. Cut tackle Levi Brown and his $6.25 million due this season and that’s $12.25 million.


His thoughts on how a Worilds deal might work

They can reduce Jason Worilds current salary cap number of more than $9 million by signing him to a long-term deal. If they, say, give him a $24 million signing bonus on a six-year, $60 million deal, they could give him a $2 million salary this year (with guarantees for a few years) and still reduce his cap by $2-3 million from where it is now for 2014...

So here is what the Steelers can do: Come to terms on a long-term deal with Worilds, essentially giving him what Woodley would have made, an average of $10 million per year. They could do that and actually lower his current salary cap hit for 2014 of $9,754,00, giving them even more savings.


But just getting under the cap by March 11 leaves other problems

But remember in all of these moves that would create salary cap room: The Steelers are going to need it. They have essentially no halfbacks behind Le’Veon Bell, no defensive ends other than Cameron Heyward under contract, little depth in the secondary and they need to sign Cotchery and/or another wide receiver.

http://sportsblogs.post-gazette.com/...s/201403040002

I think Troy is going to be requested to take a significant reduction for the 2014 season (which IMO will be his last year in the NFL)
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