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Old 04-21-2014, 09:41 PM   #11
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Giving up on Adams is like the Calgary Flames giving up on Brett Hull after 4 years in their system.

Got to have more faith. Give it this season and if he tanks, I'll throw you off the bandwagon and jump off after you.
well it is the

the Steelers who gave up on Hall of Famers Johnny Unitas and Len Dawson and tried their damndest to give up on Terry Bradshaw.
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No.

what if he is good enough and cheap enough to make the 53 man roster as a suitable back up?I think you are trigger happy to shitcan him just because he was a second round pick and did not live up to your expectations.
Second round picks come with expectations. If they can't meet those expectations, they deserve to get shit on.

That's like saying we shouldn't shit on Limas Sweed and it doesn't matter if he was a second round pick or not.
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Swap Beachum in R2 for Adams... and Adams in R7 for Beachum. When one thinks if it that way, the R2 pick looks good, and the R7 pick is developing nicely.

It's all about the perspective.
Fair enough. That perspective gets a little cloudy when you look and see we could've Lavonte David, who was taken two picks after Mike Adams. If we nab David and Beachum with DeCastro in one draft class, I doubt our defense was as shaky as it was last season.

That Adams pick stings.
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Fair enough. That perspective gets a little cloudy when you look and see we could've Lavonte David, who was taken two picks after Mike Adams. If we nab David and Beachum with DeCastro in one draft class, I doubt our defense was as shaky as it was last season.

That Adams pick stings.
Or even Casey Hayward a few picks later. I'm a big fan of his.

Marvin Jones was also picked in round 5 after Chris Rainey. Probably would have not only negated WR early this year, but probably would have taken the 3rd for Sanders last season.
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Ok, fair enough. I think we have to set board-wide expectations for Adams, though. What would qualify as a good season for Adams? Is it taking over one of the Tackle positions? Would it be showing immense improvement in his pass protection, even if it is indeed in spot starts due to injury?

If by this time next season Adams isn't one of the starting Tackles, is he written off?
Like how I got a Blues reference in there for ya?

I think quality is when we see Adams take over at one of the OT spots. The kid honestly has the ability to be a pro bowler if he wants to and is coached up. At worst, I always said he would be a solid RT for a decade in the NFL and still believe it.

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Or even Casey Hayward a few picks later. I'm a big fan of his.

Marvin Jones was also picked in round 5 after Chris Rainey. Probably would have not only negated WR early this year, but probably would have taken the 3rd for Sanders last season.
I was a big fan of Marvin Jones back then and would have taken him or McNutt instead of Rainey on that day. But Honestly, I thought S George Iloka was value that fit the need instead of Rainey.
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Fair enough. That perspective gets a little cloudy when you look and see we could've Lavonte David, who was taken two picks after Mike Adams. If we nab David and Beachum with DeCastro in one draft class, I doubt our defense was as shaky as it was last season.

That Adams pick stings.
Spence would have been better than David. That knee injury ruined that draft.

And, when Adams develops, everyone will be like, "LeVonte who???"
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Going into that draft, I wanted: DD, Ta'amu, Spence, Brandon Boykin, & Russell Wilson.

Getting three of the five made my day. If not for his devastating knee injury, Spence would have joined DD in multiple Pro Bowls.

Like Pancake said: on draft day, I was geeked. Now, I'm happy (DD, Beachum) and hoping to be happier (Spence, Adams).
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Going into that draft, I wanted: DD, Ta'amu, Spence, Brandon Boykin, & Russell Wilson.

Getting three of the five made my day.
wouldn't it have been great if the three would have been DD, Boykin and Wilson?
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Second round picks come with expectations. If they can't meet those expectations, they deserve to get shit on.

That's like saying we shouldn't shit on Limas Sweed and it doesn't matter if he was a second round pick or not.
actually it is like saying you are having a knee jerk reaction.when it comes to 2nd round picks there is a HUGE difference between canadian football players like lima sweet & ricardo coakley as opposed to NFL starters such as kraig urbick.

But I get it. You have made your bold prediction/analysis that mike Adams is nothing more than a bust/bum and now you gotta stick to your guns.

if he is a solid back up at 2 positions I am fine with that regardless what round he was drafted in, just like I am fine with beachum being a starter as a seventh rounder.

are you really suggesting we shit can a backup just because of the round they were drafted in and then replace them with another draft pick? That doesn't make much sense if they prove to be capable.

That's like throwing the baby out with the bath water just because the baby is ugly.
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David DeCastro alone makes the 2012 draft worth it. Even Bill Cowher had drafts where he and the team only got one star player, like 2001 when they got Casey Hampton, and 2005 when they got Heath Miller. And Kelvin Beachum is a bonus regardless of whether he continues to start or not, considering he was drafted in the seventh round.
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